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Does the Hottest 100 reflectwhat triple j plays?

Where was Silversun Pickups, Metric and Oh Mercy? No Pond, DZ Deathrays or Worlds End Press? What triple j flogs on a daily basis has little bearing on the Hottest 100 voting – and this year’s count confirms it.

Much of the debate following the Hottest 100 has focussed on how it stacked up to the Brisbane maths boffins’ Warmest 100 list, but comparing it to J Play’s list of the station’s most-played tracks yields arguably more telling results.

Fifty-one acts featured in the J Play list missed out on a place in the publicly voted Hottest 100 songs of the year. That number only increases by 13 when you take into account the next 100 selections, which were counted down for the first time ever by triple j on Saturday.

Of the 10 most played tracks last year on triple j, none of those made the Hottest 100 top five, with the highest place going to Major Lazer’s ‘Get Free’, which came in at #6. The fifth most played song according to J Play, ‘This Head I Hold’ by Electric Guest, came in at #164, while Dialectrix’s ‘New Generation’ (#8) and The Preatures’ ‘Take A Card’ (#10) didn’t even make the Hottest 200 cut.

There were some strange anomalies, too. Of Monsters and Men’s ‘Little Talks’ managed to finish in second place in the Hottest 100 voting, but is nowhere to be seen on the list of most played songs. And Lana Del Rey had five songs in the Hottest 200 – ‘Summertime Sadness’, ‘Born To Die’, ‘Ride’, ‘Off To The Races’ and ‘National Anthem’ – yet her most played song on triple j, ‘Blue Jeans’, was one of many notable absentees.

As for the winner of the Hottest 100? Macklemore and Ryan Lewis’ ‘Thrift Shop’ was the 96th most played track of the year according to J Play, meaning you only have yourselves to blame.

This year’s triple j Hottest 100 countdown was reportedly the biggest yet, with 187,975 voters casting 1,516,765 votes.

Below is the full list of J Play’s most played tracks of 2012, with their Hottest 200 positions indicated in parentheses.

The J Play 100

#1 Parachute Youth – Can’t Get Better Than This(33)
#2 Major Lazer – Get Free (6)
#3 Twinsy – Water Bombs(163)
#4 Skrillex – Bangarang (25)
#5 Electric Guest – This Head I Hold (164)
#6 Django Django – Default (28)
#7 Loon Lake – Cherry Lips (29)
#8 Dialectrix – New Generation (N/A)
#9 Regina Spektor – All The Rowboats (72)
#10 The Preatures – Take A Card (N/A)
#11 Flume – Holdin On (4)
#12 The Shins – Simple Song (74)
#13 Arctic Monkeys – R U Mine(40)
#14 The Bamboos – I Got Burned (54)
#15 Disclosure – Latch (21)
#16 Matt Corby – Brother (ineligible)
#17 Ball Park Music – Surrender (27)
#18 Gossling – Wild Love (142)
#19 Allday X C1 – So Good (91)
#20 Wolf And Cub – See The Light (N/A)
#21 Grimes – Oblivion (38)
#22 Emma Louise – Boy (114)
#23 Yacht – Le Goudron (N/A)
#24 Kid Cudi – Just What I Am(62)
#25 Diafrix – Running It (N/A)
#26 San Cisco – Rocket Ship (N/A)
#27 Full Tote Odds – Southern Wind (N/A)
#28 The Hives – Go Right Ahead (N/A)
#29 Illy – Heard It All(76)
#30 The Griswolds – Heart Of A Lion(141)
#31 Alabama Shakes – Hold On (39)
#32 MS MR – Hurricane (42)
#33 The Cribs – Come On, Be a No-One (N/A)
#34 Dappled Cities – Born At The Right Time (154)
#35 Alt-J – Breezeblocks (3)
#36 Citizens! – Reptile(N/A)
#37 Metric – Youth Without Youth (N/A)
#38 Lupe Fiasco – Around My Way (N/A)
#39 Silversun Pickups – Skin Graph (N/A)
#40 DCUP – I’m Corrupt (126)
#41 St. Lucia – September (196)
#42 Best Coast – The Only Place (177)
#43 White Rabbits – Temporary(N/A)
#44 Sticky Fingers – Caress Your Soul (61)
#45 The Phenomenal Handclap Band – Following (N/A)
#46 Flux Pavilion – Daydreamer (N/A)
#47 Birds Of Tokyo – This Fire (51)
#48 Alpine – Gasoline (31)
#49 Father John Misty – Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings (148)
#50 YesYou – Frivolous Life (183)
#51 Lisa Mitchell – Spiritus(92)
#52 Pond – Moth Wings (N/A)
#53 Tame Impala – Elephant (7)
#54 Calvin Harris – Sweet Nothing (11)
#55 Miike Snow – Paddling Out (36)
#56 Jinja Safari – Toothless Grin (N/A)
#57 Oh Mercy – Drums (N/A)
#58 Plan B – Ill Manors(134)
#59 Cosmo Jarvis – Love This (59)
#60 Mystery Jets – Someone Purer (178)
#61 The Trouble With Templeton – Six Months In A Cast(N/A)
#62 Ben Kweller – Mean To Me (N/A)
#63 Chet Faker – I’m Into You(24)
#64 Skryptcha – Dance (N/A)
#65 The Cast Of Cheers – Family (N/A)
#66 Art Of Sleeping – Empty Hands (180)
#67 Nantes – Unsatisfy (N/A)
#68 Rudimental – Feel the Love (20)
#69 Children Collide – Sword To A Gunfight (N/A)
#70 Illy – Where Ya Been (113)
#71 World’s End Press – Second Day Uptown(N/A)
#72 Tame Impala – Feels Like We Only Go Backwards (9)
#73 Eagle & The Worm – Give Me Time(138)
#74 Yung Warriors – Standing Strong(N/A)
#75 The Aston Shuffle – Can’t Stop Now (N/A)
#76 Bloc Party – Octopus (150)
#77 Kimbra – Warrior (98)
#78 Rufus – This Summer(N/A)
#79 Jack White – Love Interruption(60)
#80 Lana Del Rey – Blue Jeans(N/A)
#81 Tyler Touché – Baguette?(188)
#82 Owl Eyes – Crystalised (N/A)
#83 Snakadaktal – Dance Bear(93)
#84 Millions – Nineteen (N/A)
#85 Grinspoon – Passerby (120)
#86 The Gaslight Anthem – 45 (94)
#87 Hunting Grounds – Flaws (N/A)
#88 Chasm – Soldier And A Thinker (N/A)
#89 Totally Enormous Extinct Dinosaurs – Tapes & Money (N/A)
#90 Knife Party – Internet Friends (55)
#91 Xavier Rudd – Follow The Sun (44)
#92 Winter People – Gallons (N/A)
#93 Purity Ring – Fineshrine (85)
#94 Rudimental – Not Giving In (16)
#95 The Presets – Promises (70)
#96 Macklemore & Ryan Lewis – Thrift Shop (1)
#97 Alpine – Seeing Red(194)
#98 DZ Deathrays – Dollar Chills (N/A)
#99 Buchanan – Run Faster (N/A)
#100 The Rubens – Don’t Ever Want To Be Found (162)

Related: The Best and The Worst of the Hottest 100

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dukeofwhales

dukeofwhales said on the 4th Feb, 2013

obviously, the most played list is going to favour songs released at the start of the year.

of monsters and men's album was released in september, which was roughly when little talks started getting a lot of airplay. are you surprised that a song released 3/4 of the way through the year didn't make the most played list?

also, lana del rey's blue jeans was a single released in 2011 and was nominated then, and was therefore not eligible for this year.

mondo22

mondo22 said on the 4th Feb, 2013

If the hottest 100 was based on what gets played most, 50 songs would be of the Australian Hip Hop genre.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 4th Feb, 2013



http://i.imgur.com/MK0hm.jpg

lozza82

lozza82 said on the 4th Feb, 2013

i listen to triple j about 70 hours a week and it can get quite repetitive. summer slack seems to be the best time for me, most variety. mornings with zan is usually good though.
i think triple j should play more songs that they dont think people want to hear...

borntohula

borntohula said on the 4th Feb, 2013

simple song would have been a shoe-in for top 10 had the voting commenced in like april or something. as duke said timing of release factors into this sort of thing a lot. triple j plays enough good content that it's never all going to be celebrated in the hottest 100, but because the station encourages listeners to reach a consensus on worthy tracks, you're always going to see some pretty unsurprising results. i can imagine this is why early years showed a more eclectic countdown of tracks, and voting would have been a scramble as people voted without confiding in other people about what they "should" vote for.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 4th Feb, 2013

obviously, the most played list is going to favour songs released at the start of the year.


This is the crucial point.

Furthermore, the Hottest 100 favours songs released in the second half of the year because they are fresh in people's memories.

Essentially, the most played list and Hottest 100 list are at polar opposites in this regard.

I also wonder whether the demographic of people who request songs is younger or otherwise different from the average Hottest 100 voter. One song from the most played list that comes to mind is #3 Twinsy – Water Bombs(163). I couldn't stand this song and everytime I heard someone requesting it, it sounded like they were 14 or 15.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 4th Feb, 2013

I know that around Hottest 100 time I always see other people's lists and am shocked I forgot something awesome.

jacquelyn

jacquelyn said on the 5th Feb, 2013



it might interest you to know that requested songs are actually not requested songs, they're just songs that a station was going to play anyway (djs playlists are organised days in advance). because someone happened to ring up and request it, they recorded them actually doing so and played it just before the song was gonna be played anyway.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



So songs that people request aren't actually requests because they were already going to play them?

That makes no sense.

I completely agree that this isn't spur of the moment stuff but the fact is the songs they play as requests are songs that people are requesting.

The only reason they're playing those songs with that frequency is because people ring up/email to request them.

Oflick

Oflick said on the 5th Feb, 2013



I don't think they choose a song to play and then find someone who's requested it.

Though obviously they pick and choose which requests to actually play. They'll choose to play a popular song that's requested over some obscure song that's requested. They're probably not going to take my request to play "Entrail Ripped from a Virgin's Cunt" any time soon.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

true otherwise we'd be hearing a lot more cool local bands not school kid requests who haven't seen what goes on in the local pub scene ,not what the pampered djs think are cool.cmon kingsmill get your shit together! i'd like a dedicated jjj rock station for the over 18's

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

How would you expect school kids to know what's happening in the local pub scene?

I think you're looking for Triple m.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Wow.

Kill yourself.

Be more melodramatic.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

by that i mean young uns could hear what's really happening in the local scene and check em out when they're old enough, not wait for festivals before they see a band they've heard on the j

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

there's probably a few local bands out there you may enjoy, and yes i will kill myself , actually nah

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Surely most of the Aussie bands played on Triple J are a reflection of the Aussie scene. It is a national station.

If you want less mainstream bands with more of a local focus, listen to city based stations like fbi in Sydney or 4ZZZ in Brisbane.

Triple J is never going to reflect the bands playing in some pub in Sydney on a weeknight with 30 people in attendance. Nor should it.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 5th Feb, 2013

yeh but like they're playing like all the poofta shit n that n i dunno how me ute's tape deck works so i have to put it on the js and shit and i just wanna here sum fucken rock n shit like some fucken oils n shit

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

I think it's a bit rich to say triple J don't play stuff from the local 'pub' scene. They have a whole station dedicated to unsigned artists.

I sent my band's single into Triple J and we got a few spins on Home and Hosed. Clearly we didn't take off, otherwise I'd be too busy snorting coke from Daisy Lowe's arsecrack to write this, but it does show they are more than willing to give a local rock band their dues.

Bands that sit around wondering why they aren't played on the radio are the same guys who keep waiting for the radio stations and booking agents to come to them. Radio stations are always looking for something new to play, if you're not there then it IS going to be someone else who is there.

If what you want is just rock though, triple J is not going to be for you anyway. They have always had a broad appeal and never more so than now.

Your best bet is something like Radar Rock. A digital station with a rock focus and a focus on new Australian acts.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 5th Feb, 2013

This one's for you, dogrockdog

http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/i-used-to-be-with-it-but-then-they-changed-what-it-was.jpg

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

yeah i know what you're saying but rtr ( perth) like most has only a few hours a day of that , commercial stations are pretty hideous and i can't be on internet radio all the time ( cost/ driving) you am i played to pretty small crowds to start with, like most

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Understandable. I was always under the impression WA was great at supporting its own scene though.

The WAMI's and so on seem to get behind a lot of local bands and there have been countless great bands out of WA in the last few years.

Also Birds Of Tokyo and Karnivool.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

nice one, is glee on tonight?

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 5th Feb, 2013



See the big Quote button? Use it.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



Give us some examples of bands you're referring to.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

it is mate, my point being jjj needs to support them (and the newies) otherwise they'd be only big in perth . there's plenty more here who don't get a look in ( i won't list em, but some real quality) same all over oz

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



It isn't up to a radio station to make bands from Perth popular across the country.

Bands need to tour and become known elsewhere. Unless the music is of such a high quality that it can't be ignored or takes off virally then a radio station isn't going to play it just because a band has a bit of a following in one city.

Bands get places by a) working hard and b) being really good or appealing to their listener base. Bands that work harder can probably afford to be a little less good and vice versa.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



Bands get places by a) working hard and b) being really good or appealing to their listener base.

c) A fuck-tonne of luck.

No one owes you anything and no band is entitled to radio play and success because they think they deserve it. Radio is a massive boon in a country like Australia where touring is fighting against geography and population density, but it's not a right.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

the floors triggerjackets the devil rides out drowninghorse chainsaw hookers ( many more obviously). ( rock genre)

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Chainsaw Hookers are rad.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

shit yeah ( perth bands do hard yards when it comes to touring) but that " luck" boils down to j airplay ( which is my original point i guess) homegrown should be on everyday!

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

indeed check out the bands they play with here and you'll get the idea ( same everywhere and some don't deserve airplay)

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



It's called Triple J Unearthed.

In terms of getting Triple J airplay, it's highly likely that a band that is at all decent can get played a couple of times on Home and Hosed or something.

The fact that they don't get played again is probably a reflection that people aren't going crazy for that song and requesting it to be played again.

It never was and never should be Triple J's responsibility to continue to play bands to the point that it makes them popular. At the end of the day, it will be the listeners that have the most sway in making bands bigger.

To take an example from Perth, San Cisco have obviously been flogged on Triple J. Now most people on this forum and I'm sure you (given your love of rock) can't stand San Cisco and think they're crap.

The fact remains that indie pop is very popular in Australia at the moment and Awkward was an incredibly catchy song. It is no surprise to me that they took off from that song.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

true enough , know a good ph provider who provide a shit tonne of gigs so i can listen to radar often?( i'm not only talking perth here, i never heard cockfight shootout on radio and the many other great melb bands) and yes jjj is "indie" superfluous term now,i just wish they had an alternative to the alternative( as good as the intention )

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Because, as we all know, there's just no other way to listen to music whatsoever.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

the debate isn't about internet radio or my ipod its about the garbage on jjj , it's the best station we've got but fuck they play some shit but obviously some people love it. gangham style went no 1, doesn't make it good

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



If you're only interested in one main genre then the national youth radio station is going to be playing a lot of genres that you don't like.

That is the way it should be. It needs to reflect the fact that currently, people listen to a wide variety of genres of music.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 5th Feb, 2013

http://freshwire.com/amos/upload/2010/07/purple-prince.jpg

This is what it sounds like, when bogans cry...

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

indeed a meal with too many spices and ingredients makes it most unpleasant, hence a dedicated station to rock and not so rock ( i have a fair collection and nearly half isn't what you'd call rock) maybe let's just say guitar

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

nick cave and the bogans?

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



Considering that this whole argument is well away from what a commercial radio station would play, why would a government funded radio station dedicate itself to genres that only part of the population likes?

By the same token people could argue that there should be a dedicated Aussie hip hop station because they hate listening to the generic rock crap that is being played by hundreds of bands around the country.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

You're not going to get a 'rock only' station on an Fm or AM band without it relying on massive commercial playlist like Triple M.

Rock, like it or not, is as niche an audience as any other genre. And niche genres smaller than country and classical, especially one as small as local rock bands, can't sustain a radio station.

Digital radio is cheaper, that's why they can get away with it. I understand that doesn't help you, but I don't have a solution other than for you to buy an Ipod and join the street teams of these bands to get them known and played on radio.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

would be nice actually to have some dedicated stations, the us has many ( commercial ) ones. oh we'll ill persevere . don't be surprised if there's a jjj mk 3( why else the survey?)

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



Yes, but the dedicated genre stations in the US are very commercial.

They don't dedicate themselves to unsigned bands whose only gigs have been in their Mum's garage.

You're comparing apples with oranges and saying what you actually want is a pear.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013



Smart business constantly do market research and grow with their audience. That's why.

The US also has a significantly larger population than we do, so their niches are bigger, making them more sustainable.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 5th Feb, 2013

yeah i know that's the truth , just needed to put my 2 cents in , quite the debate .. anyway i like all sorts of music some not so much just the way it shall always be

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 5th Feb, 2013



Actually, a proper meal should have lots of ingredients, all carefully prepared, cooked and combined at just the right moments and amounts to combine to a perfect dish.

Great, now you made me hungry.

Sex Cauldron

Sex Cauldron said on the 5th Feb, 2013

i just listen to rrr, rtr fm and pbs. plus i prefer everything outside of australia, what about me and my needs? why can't jjj do that?



'merica

nomadiquemc

nomadiquemc said on the 5th Feb, 2013

death, taxes, lies, damned lies, something, something, and nerds with spreadsheets. or something. pretty sure i've forgotten the point i was trying to make.

ROYALwithCHEESE

ROYALwithCHEESE said on the 5th Feb, 2013

It's called Triple J Unearthed.

In terms of getting Triple J airplay, it's highly likely that a band that is at all decent can get played a couple of times on Home and Hosed or something.

The fact that they don't get played again is probably a reflection that people aren't going crazy for that song and requesting it to be played again.

It never was and never should be Triple J's responsibility to continue to play bands to the point that it makes them popular. At the end of the day, it will be the listeners that have the most sway in making bands bigger.

To take an example from Perth, San Cisco have obviously been flogged on Triple J. Now most people on this forum and I'm sure you (given your love of rock) can't stand San Cisco and think they're crap.

The fact remains that indie pop is very popular in Australia at the moment and Awkward was an incredibly catchy song. It is no surprise to me that they took off from that song.

Triple J bases their 'populalarity' on what is requested.
Formerly known as 'super request'( being 6-9 pm weekdays) ,it does not really reflect their user normal base. That is if you listen to the people who phone up compared to other shows and times that allow phone ins.

dogmega

dogmega said on the 6th Feb, 2013

jjj never plays enough shannon noll. or nicleback for that matter.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 8th Feb, 2013



How so? It seems logical to me that 6-9 would be when they get a large chunk of their audience.

In the last Neilsen survey for 2012, the Drive (4-7) and Evening (7-12) slots were most popular, or close to it, in most cities.

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/au/en/press/2012/Metro612.pdf

There's no reason to think the users listening at this time are any different to the listeners listening at any other time.

psychoandy689

psychoandy689 said on the 8th Feb, 2013

go cosmo jarvis. 59 in both lists. i voted the preatures as my #1 song & am disgusted it didn't make public top 200. i've also voted for a kate miller-heidke song for each of the past 9 years & the only time kate has made either list was in 2005 with "space i cannot touch"; as rk liked it & it was played a lot, but i think only kate's friends, family & i voted for it.

ROYALwithCHEESE

ROYALwithCHEESE said on the 8th Feb, 2013

How so? It seems logical to me that 6-9 would be when they get a large chunk of their audience.

In the last Neilsen survey for 2012, the Drive (4-7) and Evening (7-12) slots were most popular, or close to it, in most cities.

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/au/en/press/2012/Metro612.pdf

There's no reason to think the users listening at this time are any different to the listeners listening at any other time.

I 'used to' listen between the start of work 6 am all the way to 5pm and in my small view the people listening to triple J were all' at working age'.
So when I listened to triple J after 6 it was more high school students to say your mid 20's.....requesting songs

I used my dumb logic because every night during the week the playlist is the same.
People listening to the same songs and requesting to hear a certain 'new single' as number 1 requested.
Said host, wether it was Rosie or the current one would throw in other tracks, but every night it sounded the same.

I was under the impression triple J listeners didn't have ADHD when it came to the same shit night in night out on repeat.

I was wrong and you have actual data.

Dogrockdog

Dogrockdog said on the 8th Feb, 2013

dont admit to liking " rock " or you will be classified a bogan.to those,


put your fluoro back on you softcocks ( the 80's fashion was terrible, why act like its cool?),

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 8th Feb, 2013



She hasn't been played on Triple J since the fact. I don't know what exactly you were expecting.

dont admit to liking " rock " or you will be classified a bogan.to those,


put your fluoro back on you softcocks ( the 80's fashion was terrible, why act like its cool?),

Eugh. Silencio, hetero degenerate.