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NZ Big Day Out cans Odd Future

Update: The Big Day Out have issued FasterLouder with an official statement:

The Auckland City Council has jumped the gun, leaking that Odd Future will no longer be appearing at the Auckland Big Day Out due to lobbyist groups.

We are currently in discussions with Odd Future and will be announcing their own solo show for Auckland in the coming weeks. This does not affect Australia. Last time they played for the government at Vivid!

Regards, Ken


Odd Future has reportedly been scrapped from the New Zealand Big Day Out following a grass roots protest campaign lead by the LBGT community, according to Gay and Lesbian website gaynz.com.

The website reports that gay activist Calum Bennachie sent a letter of protest to the Big Day Out promoters outlining his concerns over the content of the group’s lyrics – which many consider to be homophobic and misogynistic. In his letter Bennachie states: “It is through lyrics used by Odd Future that “Whole cultures may be induced, invited, or permitted to hate people or ideas they fear, or who are perceived as threats to their dearly held values” I would have thought that you had learned what happens through that sort of music after the Beanie Man controversy, but it appears you have not.”

Rapper Beanie Man was cut from the 2010 BDO lineup after a similar protest movement in New Zealand which took offence at his homophobic remarks. Bennachie writes that: ”Beenie Man and groups like Odd Future that promote hatred and discrimination against groups encourage violence against those groups. If it is acceptable to say something similar to “Gays are a cancer on society that deserves to be eliminated?”, then what group would be next?”

The passionate email was sent to the head of Auckland Council’s Parks and Heritage Forum Sandra Coney and Minister of Immigration Jonathan Coleman and reportedly “set off a chain reaction”, with Coney seeking the council and CEO of Regional Facilities, John Brockies opinion.

Coney says that after receiving the letter she approached the CEO of Regional Facilities Auckland John Brockies with Bennachie’s concerns and that “After a discussion with BDO organisers this group will no longer be appearing in BDO in NZ.”

According to gaynz.com the BDO is yet to make an official comment. FasterLouder has contacted the Big Day Out to find out what this news will mean for Odd Future’s Australian tour.

The news comes only days after Odd Future’s Left Brain was accused of assault following a performance at the Voodoo Experience in New Orleans.

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batdan

batdan said on the 4th Nov, 2011

No ghost chips for Tyler yo

humanracin

humanracin said on the 4th Nov, 2011

hopefully they will be replaced by someone better in Oz too

yetiite

yetiite said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Pathetic. Art is still compromised and censorship is still thriving. I guess progress takes longer than hoped.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 4th Nov, 2011



Is racial vilification art just because it comes in the form of music?

grattan

grattan said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Calum Bennachie's full letter:

I understand that the group Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All (Odd Future) is to perform at the Big Day Out, despite the fact their songs contain extremely homophobic, misogynistic and hateful lyrics. It is through lyrics used by Odd Future that “Whole cultures may be induced, invited, or permitted to hate people or ideas they fear, or who are perceived as threats to their dearly held values” (Whillock & Slayden,1995: x).

I would have thought that you had learned what happens through that sort of music after the Beanie Man controversy, but it appears you have not.

Gordon Allport (1958) examines the ideas behind prejudice and hatred, how these affect people, and how hate speech eventually leads to violence through a five point scale: antilocution (the open expression of antagonism), avoidance (of members of the disliked group), discrimination, physical attack, and extermination.

Daniel Goldhagen (1996) discussed the three dimensions of anti-Semitism (source of malefic qualities, latent-manifest preoccupation, and putative perniciousness). Although Goldhagen (1996: 35-36) discusses anti-Semitism, the same can be said can also be said about homophobia:

It is his [sexual orientation], his [identification], or his [sexual behaviour].

These same three dimensions: source, latent-manifest, and perniciousness can be seen to exist in homophobia.

Both Allport's (1958) scale or action, and Goldhagen's (1996) three dimensions can be applied to other forms of hatred, and could also be seen to increase if the lyrics used by Odd Future against specific groups were to be allowed at Big Day Out.

Herek and Berrill (1992) indicate that the effects of hate speech on a person's self-esteem and the stigmatisation imposed cannot be ignored. It has been shown in numerous studies that stigmatisation of a group and a lack of self esteem can lead to suicide (Clayton, 1997; Fergusson, Horwood, Ridder & Beautrais, 2005: 979; Petrie and Brook, 1992; Rosenhan and Seligman, 1985: 342-343). The effects of these lyrics on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender emerging youth could be enormous, stigmatising them, resulting in low self-esteem, and possible subsequent consequences, such as suicide, and personal verbal and physical attacks. All these are certainly injurious to the public good. Furthermore, stigmatised groups are less likely to retain safe choices in regards to a variety of factors, including safer sex

In terms of societal hatred, Greg Herek (2004: 14) points out that “First, hostility exists in the form of shared knowledge that is embodied in cultural ideologies that define sexuality, demarcate social groupings based on it, and assign value to those groups and their members. Second, these ideologies are expressed through society's structure, institutions, and power relations. Third, individuals internalize these ideologies and, through their attitudes and actions, express, reinforce, and challenge them”.

This is not a new idea, but also dates back to Allport (1958: 152), who stated that minority members develop coping methods to deal with stigma directed at them, including “intrapunitive” measures, directed inwards: “one's sense of shame for possessing the despised qualities of one's group” as well as “repugnance for other members of one's group because they ‘possess' these qualities”.

This internalisation of hatred and stigmatisation affects people in various ways. Self esteem suffers under such an assault, and is often deemed necessary for ensuring that safe sexual decisions are made. However, NZ research seems to controvert this – self esteem levels in themselves are not indicators of safe sexual decisions (McGee & Williams, 2000). It appears that levels of stigma seems to have more effect than self esteem on decisions about safer sex decisions (Bruce, Ramirez-Valles, & Campbell, 2008; Preston D'Augelli, Kassab, Cain, Schultze, & Starks, 2004; Preston, D'Augelli, Kassab, & Starks, 2007). If these decisions are compromised, unsafe sex may be practiced, leading to infection with an STI, such as gonorrhoea, chlamydia or HIV. It is thus important to address stigmatisation of GLBT people and other minority groups.

People like Beenie Man and groups like Odd Future that promote hatred and discrimination against groups encourage violence against those groups. If it is acceptable to say something similar to “Gays are a cancer on society that deserves to be eliminated?”, then what group would be next?

Therefore, by allowing Odd Future to play at BDO, you are proving that you have little concern for the lives and welfare of LGBT people, that you are willing to endanger their lives, and seek to encourage stigmatisation against them. I find this disappointing in an organisation that could do so much to enhance the self esteem of youth, reduce stigma, and discourage violence. Over the last year we have heard of a number of LGBT youth who have committed suicide due to bullying tactics that are endorsed by music that belittles LGBT people, such as that played by Odd Future. Lyrics such as those played by Odd Future increase the societal discourse against LGBT people, a discourse that encourages bullying and violence.

Just as there are precedents for not allowing Beanie Man into New Zealand, I believe those same precedents apply in this case.

I therefore encourage you to reverse your decision to allow Odd Future to play at BDO, and thus prove that you do care about all members of society.

I look forward to your reply.

Dr Calum Bennachie

CC: Chair, Chair - Parks and Heritage Committee, Auckland Regional Council (Sandra Coney)

Minister of Immigration (Jonathan Coleman)

Peter Tatchell


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So listening to Odd Future causes you to forget everything you've learnt about safe-sex? Damn that's some powerful music.

Kinda feels like the council read the letter and went "huh, ummm... I don't know but it looks complicated so just to be on the safe side we'll overreact and ban them"

humanracin

humanracin said on the 4th Nov, 2011



so you think homophobia and treating women like shit represents progress?

MilkySheep

MilkySheep said on the 4th Nov, 2011

anybody that is made a homophobe by Odd Future's lyrics had something wrong with them to start with. For GayNZ, it really wasn't worth getting Odd Future banned because now OF's fans and people that were interested in seeing them are just going to hate GayNZ.

CoolRusty

CoolRusty said on the 4th Nov, 2011


I've always hated how if someone makes a racist or anti gay statement, it's considered racist or homophobic but at the same time, if they express their views over music, it's defined as art and use that as a scapegoat.

hellboy1975

hellboy1975 said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Better drop Kanye for saying the n-word while we're at it.

mick90

mick90 said on the 4th Nov, 2011

i bet these people have never even listened to album nor realise syd in odd future is actually gay. so sick of the gay community having a whinge at anything. that letter is absolutely retarded, you'd think of were going to insight national violence and the disrupt entire balance of life in nz after reading it.

daveyac8881

daveyac8881 said on the 4th Nov, 2011

That letter reads like a University essay. Hopefully they'll get scrapped from the Australian lineup too. Replace them with Wu-Tang Clan, they are just a shitty imitation of them anyway

daveyac8881

daveyac8881 said on the 4th Nov, 2011


Australia and New Zealand are much more forward thinking countries than America and we just wont stand for this shit.

Part of it is also that America has the right to freedom of speech in their constitution, so the homophic hate speech of groups like Westboro Baptist Church are protected, whereas in Australia we have no such right, and for good reason.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Can Hodgey Beats just come and do Turnt Down. That's all I want to hear.

I don't even think it says faggot or nigger once.

viktorwiener

viktorwiener said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Yeah replace them with the WU, can't wait to see the 2/3 or the 1/4 or the 1/8 or the 1/7th of the clan showing up.
Like that's gonna happen.

Hinee

Hinee said on the 4th Nov, 2011

homosexuals are gay

Napoleon Solo

Napoleon Solo said on the 4th Nov, 2011

I liked the gays but then I listened to Odd Future and realized that I didn't...

east13net

east13net said on the 4th Nov, 2011

their treatment of accredited photographers sucks arse too. and that's before getting started on their 'music'

tyler07

tyler07 said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Although I dislike OF, I think it's pretty stupid that this has happened...
I don't like their message nor do I agree with the 'art' thing but seriously, this doesn't really accomplish anything...

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 4th Nov, 2011



That's funny, I liked Odd Future until I listened to the gays.

Napoleon Solo

Napoleon Solo said on the 4th Nov, 2011

We've gone through all this shit before. Eminem etc...
Somebody get's offended, which was the goal all along. A few years down the track Tyler will be doing a duet with Ricky Martin at the Grammys. The circle of life...

Napoleon Solo

Napoleon Solo said on the 4th Nov, 2011



At the Drive-In would go ape shit on gig photographers back in the day. That was considered cool though...

grattan

grattan said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Update: The Big Day Out have issued FasterLouder with an official statement:

The Auckland City Council has jumped the gun, leaking that Odd Future will no longer be appearing at the Auckland Big Day Out due to lobbyist groups.

We are currently in discussions with Odd Future and will be announcing their own solo show for Auckland in the coming weeks. This does not affect Australia. Last time they played for the government at Vivid!

Regards, Ken

Napoleon Solo

Napoleon Solo said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Australia opens it arms and shelters homophobes...

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 4th Nov, 2011

obviously NZ would rather sheep dick than hard dick.

The Great Monkey War

The Great Monkey War said on the 4th Nov, 2011




Gig Guide and Possibilities:
Foo Fighters

So they're an imitation of Wu-Tang because they're a hip hop collective with a lot of members?

I hate to point it out bro, but Foo Fighters are just a shitty imitation of rock bands.

Stefan Beck

Stefan Beck said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Honestly what did Big Day Out expect after the Beanie Man fiasco?
Odd Future have a thousand times the profile.

Wouldn't be suprised if an Australian group submits a complaint and they get removed entirely.

DinkiDIDude

DinkiDIDude said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Wheres that fuckers reference list + annotated bibliography?............the whole concept of OFWGKTA is based on controversey, its a gimmick, and this whole thing is being blown out of proportion...........Just found this - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36314506380 , if a hip hop crew can be canned from appearing at festival due to a single letter, can a musical god be banned from possibly opening a casino due to fallout from a facebook group?

Napoleon Solo

Napoleon Solo said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Honestly what did Big Day Out expect after the Beanie Man fiasco?
Odd Future have a thousand times the profile.

Wouldn't be suprised if an Australian group submits a complaint and they get removed entirely.

They've already performed as part of a government funded festival. If the hypothetical group eventuates, where were they then when tax dollars were involved? They were using the same lyrics earlier this year.
Hopefully Australia doesn't have the potential to throw together a copycat movement just for the sake of it... oh wait.
But go ahead, give Odd Future some more publicity.

Jose Cuervo

Jose Cuervo said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Who gives a shit, its nz

Cr1zZ

Cr1zZ said on the 4th Nov, 2011



Me, bitch.


Not about Odd Future, but music news regarding nz.

tyler07

tyler07 said on the 4th Nov, 2011



Such filthy language should not be spoken by a young lad! I ought to wash your mouth out with soap..

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 4th Nov, 2011



don't think they have soap over there. probably will have to use wool.....

ThatDude123

ThatDude123 said on the 4th Nov, 2011

I can't wait till the end of the BDO tour, when we all stop talking about Odd Future and move onto the next hip hop fad like the hipsters we all are.

random_hero

random_hero said on the 4th Nov, 2011

its funny i make fun of gay people and i got called a homophobe, Odd Future say the same stuff and its called music funny that

crob

crob said on the 4th Nov, 2011

This does not affect Australia. Last time they played for the government at Vivid!

Regards, Ken

good call unkie ken

daveyac8881

daveyac8881 said on the 4th Nov, 2011



Clearly they are called homophobes too

random_hero

random_hero said on the 4th Nov, 2011

so Ken supports homophobia

tyler07

tyler07 said on the 4th Nov, 2011



They at least put a beat behind it. And no I'm not encouraging you to make music...

Seriously though, if you come to a music forum just to be racist and homophobic then what's the point? I don't think I've ever actually seen you make one music related comment...

random_hero

random_hero said on the 4th Nov, 2011



if i was black it wouldnt be a problem

daveyac8881

daveyac8881 said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Ken supports his wallet

random_hero

random_hero said on the 4th Nov, 2011

next he will sign prussian blue to play next years bdo

chrisdsingh

chrisdsingh said on the 5th Nov, 2011

to the guy who said australia and nz are more forward-thinking than the states because of stuff like this:

it's not forward thinking to be a self-righteous wanker. it's actually backwards thinking.

ThatDude123

ThatDude123 said on the 5th Nov, 2011



Your av is black that's virtually the same thing right?

chrisdsingh

chrisdsingh said on the 5th Nov, 2011

i can't post links, but there is a petition going around to get odd future back onto the bill.

i don't live in nz - this does not affect me at all. however, i believe it is important to show these habitual whingers that they cannot regulate the music industry with their complaining. i have read over the letter that originally appealed to the bdo promoters to kick ofwgkta off and it is nothing but a psuedo-intellectual rant (you know, one of those essays you have to write the night before it's due for sociology so you just fill it with wankery and take theories completely out of context).

it's important for nz and australia to be taken seriously in the wider music community, our backward-thinking self-righteous lobbyist friends should not get their way and be able to shape a festival such as bdo just by lobbying against something that ultimately, in reality, doesn't effect them.

a threat to bdo promoters that they would be seen as homophobic if these whingers didn't get their way is low and manipulative. please, sign this petition that some rational folks in nz created. their reason for the petition may not be as clearly articulated as an arts graduate's wankery, but it makes much more sense.

Napoleon Solo

Napoleon Solo said on the 5th Nov, 2011

Fuck those petition starting wankers I'll start a petition.

Go to their NZ show instead, I guarantee it will be hilarious.

Alrightknight

Alrightknight said on the 6th Nov, 2011

i have never understood the point of blocking a group from performing in your country. the people that would of seen them will still listen to the music "learn the same messages" as people like to say. gaynz lobbying will make things worst for themselves, as the people who do take tyler seriously (nothing tyler says is serious btw, its all gimmick) will just revolt against their bullshit campaign. im pro gay, i dont hate women but i listen to tyler.

i hate our bubble wrapped society.

nos235

nos235 said on the 3rd Feb, 2014

I notice in that letter by Calum Bennachie that he doesn't actually cite any examples of the offending lyrics