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Splendour's call to arms

While many punters are still nursing hang-overs from this year’s Splendour InThe Grass the festival’s organisers are already thinking about 2012’s event, calling on attendees to help Splendour return to its spiritual home in Byron Bay.

It’s been over three year’s since the festival’s organisers purchased land at Yelgun in the North Byron Parkland, where they hope to establish the festival permanently. However, since buying the new site Splendour has faced serious opposition from the local council who want to enforce a LEP ( Local Environmental Plan ) amendment which would limit major music events, that have 6000 patrons and take place over two days.

In a statement released on their website Splendour has detailed the issue, saying that “Byron Shire Council’s report to State Government omitted the fact that the majority of public submissions opposed their policy. They further omitted the fact that their own planning staff opposed it.”

Byron Bay Chamber of Commerce president Sevegne Newton recently told community newspaper The Northern Star that the absence of the festival has adversely affected the local community and that she wants to see the festival’s application for relocation approved. The paper reports that: “Splendour in the Grass, which was held at Woodford at the weekend, was widely regarded as the key to avoiding the winter “trough” and its loss has been devastating.”

Splendour is calling on the public to help build their case for the festivals return to Byron, and have set up a website where you can do just that. Submissions are due by 4:00pm on Thursday 18th August.

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humanracin

humanracin said on the 8th Aug, 2011

I think they need to re-evaluate the whole festival first. They need to go back to their roots, check the original mission statements and give us a more splendour-ous lineup next year.
Of course it would be great to get it back in Byron too!

crob

crob said on the 8th Aug, 2011

get those smelly Hippys out of the Byron Shire Council..
its not is good management to be turning away such a large amount of business when Australian tourism is suffering so much.

p1owz0r

p1owz0r said on the 8th Aug, 2011

I love it, slug Mr General Public with $520 tickets to see Coldplay and Kan ye and then say 'well actually we need your help to get back to the site we own'. I agree with humanracin, they need to get back to where they should be which is an indie festival with established and cutting edge bands, not be paying seven figure sums for internationally renowned bands that average Joe Indie Snob couldn't give a flying shit about.

Faris

Faris said on the 8th Aug, 2011

fuck off. Splendour is Australia's biggest festival. yeah it's no longer the tiny indie friendly special festival it used to be, but why downsize a festival that is starting to rival those overseas festivals such as coachella and reading, bringing in millions of tourism dollars and international respect? There are plenty of those 'splendour' like festivals around (golden plains, meredith, laneway etc) that are brilliant festivals for that kind of thing. I'm all for bringing the festival back to byron, and i love the splendour atmosphere, but i'd still like to see splendour attracting acts like coldplay and kanye, as there are no other festivals in Australia in which we will be able to see those bands. So I'd like to see it remain the size it is, not go back to it's 'roots'.

postman_pm

postman_pm said on the 8th Aug, 2011

Big call there Faris.... I think the likes of BDO and Soundwave may want to have a chat to you about calling Splendour 'Australia's Biggest Fesitval'. I went the Splendour again this year, but my 1st time at Woodford.... and although it was great (the Main Stage area is just amazing)... it just didn't have the same feeling as it does in Byron... There's just something about Byron that makes that festival special.

humanracin

humanracin said on the 8th Aug, 2011



I see what you're saying except those overseas festivals are much cheaper than ours if you are a local.
Splendour has every right to morph into something other than what it originally set out for, sure. But I guess they are bound to lose alot of their original festival goers who preferred the older feel of the festival.
Anyway at least we have new festivals like Harvest who are delivering what Spledour once did, so its a win win.
Except maybe Splendour having its first year of not selling out is a tell tale sign for it's future...

p1owz0r

p1owz0r said on the 8th Aug, 2011



Well there are a few issues here:

1. Splendour has many, many fewer bands like these top international festivals. Look at the lineups of Roskilde, Glastobury, Coachella, whatever.
2. Splendour costs much much more than any of these foreign festivals
3. I don't believe that Splendour brings in millions of tourist dollars. I don't think people are coming to this country just for the festival and I don't think the capacity is big enough to bring in millions of dollars anyway.

The problem as I see it is that Splendour is trying to be one of these festivals but without the scale or location to make it work.

girlskickmyass

girlskickmyass said on the 8th Aug, 2011

fuck byron. woodford is the bomb!

hearsz

hearsz said on the 8th Aug, 2011

i'm not overly bothered by where the festival is held personally but what i am concerned about is the band's (mainly international ones) lack of playing sideshows outside sydney and melbourne almost every year. for the two years it has been at woodfordia, none of the major headliner's played any sideshows in qld and as far as i know (please correct me if i'm wrong), it's a contractual agreement that bands that play shows at splendour won't or aren't allowed to do a sideshow in qld. the organizer's need to realize that not everyone wants to go to splendour every year (or can afford it) but there are specific artists they would love to see in their own show, especially as most would play a longer set than they would in a festival slot.. also, it seemed pretty strange for artists like coldplay and regina spektor to fly all the way down here just to play one show? overall though, having one-off festivals like splendour are great but you have to feel for people in places that are nowhere near woodfordia (e.g. perth, adelaide) who have to fork out a lot more than the ticket price just to attend it...

themhumm

themhumm said on the 8th Aug, 2011



The Harvest festival line up is what Splendour should be doing (well again!). When they instituted day passes (for the first time in years!) it was the same price for that one day as a Harvest ticket which featured way more international talent on the first announcement then Splendour did over the whole bill.

In terms of the venue i say go for it, it will attract less QLD divs who rock up after a hard day plumbing to get pissed and listen to ozzie hip hop

ThatDude123

ThatDude123 said on the 8th Aug, 2011

I've withheld talking about my experience in detail at Splendour out of fear of RustyInBondi, idiots or both. Also because I believe this infographic to be correct in regards to everything.

But this one time, ONE TIME, I need to say something.

Splendour in the Grass is not your tiny niche festival for hipsters, or at least it isn't anymore. It's also not your Big Day out yearly allsorts touring fest, nor Soundwave's/Harvest's/Future's big-budget niche fest. It's the truest thing that we have to a European mid-to-large-level music festival within the constraints of our geographical distance, musical culture and local laws. It doesn't want to be anything other than that. It want's to be big, it wants to create the type of mini-cities bonnaroo, Roskilde and Burning Man thrive off, while having the line-up of a Glastonbury, Coachella or T In the Park.

In my view, this is excellent because we're finally getting the type of festival experience many live music lovers move elsewhere to get. But it needs a lot of fine tuning. And I do mean a lot.

First, some refuting of the straw man arguments I've seen mentioned:

Kanye West did nothing wrong to the festival. there are things wrong with the crowd that I will address shortly, but overall his fans, and the forever-elusive number of punters he detracted from buying a ticket, did neither good nor bad. On that note, the idea of someone detracting sales but also encouraging them is a fallacy to begin with.
When you program a great, yet has-been band that failed to sell out the Enmore and weren't even going to headline when you last booked them, at the same time as the only 2011 performance of one of the most beloved singer-songwriters recording at the moment, and one of Australia's favourite dance acts, don't expect anyone bar devoted fans to show up.
The price, when calculated as a percentage of the average person's profit is relative to most festivals around the world. I can pull up the numbers if you need proof but, to put it at the simplest of terms, scaling dictates that we pay figuratively less than Japan and parts of Europe (but not the US but that was pre-debt raising so that might change very quickly)
We are spoilt for sideshows when compared to overseas (mostly due to the nature of the contracts the sign here in oz). More acts stick around before, after or during a festival to do shows here than anywhere else. You also have to remember that we are a very large country with a very small population as well: it makes a lot more economic sense to stick to the east coast unless you can guarantee above-average ticket sales (like, let's say, a satellite festival with 1/3rd of the acts could).


Okay, onto what I believe needs to be done:


Yes, it's sponsored by a "youth" radio station and all about the "young" bands but, fuck, if the QLD police trained their sniffer dogs to pick up fake IDs it'd not only do more good but probably catch out more contraband. If it wants to recreate the feel of a good euro/us/japanese fests it'd best start by appealing to a wider demographic. It'd also help lower the shithead ratio if shitheads are shamed into acting more maturely by an older crowd.
Having a stage that primarily plays large basslines 200m downhill from an acoustic/jazz stage is bad. Having the stage and PA set up so that it faces and thus reverberates up the hill is worse. Having no clear noise barrier (like an exit point that places movement and clear space between the two areas)is even worse. Having artists and DJs that demand loud basslines whilst one of your tentpole acts plays to a crowd larger than the tent you've provided... Now you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
Having some screens at the GW McLennan would be nice, actually.
This festival needs at least two more stages. Yes I want this festival to expand, but within reason. As it stands, sets on the main stage are too short until roughly 5pm, bands who need space both on-stage and off can't get it at GW McLennan, and both DJs and artists alike have to fight with constant sound readjustments at the Mix-Up tent, so much that the first 10 minutes of every set may as well be a soundcheck. Having a mid-size supertop or "other" stage would be the next logical step, which could host bands like Foster The People who couldnt fit the main stage but will draw a crowd, as well as smaller acts that are stuck on the main stage because they don't fit the niches of the other two stages (Mona, Danananackroyd, etc). The other possible idea is the segmentation of the two current uses of the GW McLennan tent into two stages: one staying as the more quiet, acoustic/ambient stage whilst the other being for jazz/blues/funk and hip-hop
It needs to work with arts communities more than it does, possibly with the creation of a permanent artistic location a la Roskilde's Trash City, Glastonbury's South-East District or Burning Man's, um, everything. You need to make the art and culture as much a part of the experience as the music so that when people want to avoid the crowds but still want a good time, they are not automatically drawn to the bars.
It needs to barter itself as an international event. This is one place where Fuji Rock and SummerSonic have a clear head start. If we want to be a large music festival, it cant play the same games every other Australian fest plays. It needs to focus on developing a culture of bringing in great, big name acts that will draw fans and casual observers alike, as well as appealing to a broad range of tastes. Splendour's bookers took a massive leap of faith with Kanye and Coldplay, two bands deemed inappropriate in both style and size for the fest, and the only headliner who failed to deliver was the considered "safe bet" of Jane's Addiction. It needs to build on this goodwill: book more diverse acts, arrange itself to have distinct areas for all of it's niches but never segregating crowds, work with international publications for better publicity, maybe even do as some US festivals have done and have a celebrity-guest-curated stage (And it can be suprising how good the taste of some celebrities can be). If it wants to build capital as a tourism event for Australia then it has to stop playing by the rules of the Australian Festival scene. This will mean less flavour-of-the-month and possibly less Australian acts but it will pay off.
It needs to value what its audience does right: Splendour had some amazing moments of collective joy: from the funny-turned-annoying-turned-hilarious "ALAN! STEVE!" calls to the Cloud Control crowd to Regina Spektor's audience helping her with her words whenever she forgot them. Not one has been mentioned by Splendour in the Grass, Secret Sounds... hell, on the video replay of Cloud Control's set the single best thing about the set is practically non-existent. Great festivals become great because of the people, not because of the bands. On in other words, all thing considered the lineup of the Gathering of the Juggalos is not that bad. People will come back for the experience they can't get at any other festival.


That's all I can think of so far. Splendour are at the edge of achieving something very different to anything else on the Australian music landscape: a large-scale fest that brings the best of what traditional international festivals do to our shores. It will not be for everyone: just like ATP UK/USA and UK Field Day are the anti-Glastonbury, Meredith, Laneway and Golden Plains will remain the anti-Splendour. But I support them because I feel for Australian music this is an important step. We have more festivals per capita than any other country but we are yet to have anything that stands tall amongst the others in the world. Splendour has proven that it's close to reaching that point and when it does a lot more good will be done than bad, I believe.

Faris

Faris said on the 8th Aug, 2011

Well there are a few issues here:

1. Splendour has many, many fewer bands like these top international festivals. Look at the lineups of Roskilde, Glastobury, Coachella, whatever.
2. Splendour costs much much more than any of these foreign festivals
3. I don't believe that Splendour brings in millions of tourist dollars. I don't think people are coming to this country just for the festival and I don't think the capacity is big enough to bring in millions of dollars anyway.

The problem as I see it is that Splendour is trying to be one of these festivals but without the scale or location to make it work.

Fair enough. But if we cut it in half now by downsizing it to a two day hippie fest, it will never expand. The way I see it, if splendour grows and becomes bigger and better like coachella glasto etc, It will ultimately force prices down, which means we dont have to consider heading off to bestival because splendour is too expensive.

chico21

chico21 said on the 9th Aug, 2011

Well there are a few issues here:
3. I don't believe that Splendour brings in millions of tourist dollars. I don't think people are coming to this country just for the festival and I don't think the capacity is big enough to bring in millions of dollars anyway.


It was estimated that Splendour would inject $20mill into the economy of Woodford.

It brings much more than that to Byron - as people are more inclined to stay longer - and there are more places to go out, buy food, drink, visit etc. Byron shire council are fucking idiots if they continue to oppose it - being a part-time resident of the Byron Shire Council I know that most businesses love the business splendour brings - it is as much as the Xmas/NY period. I also know that everybody regards the Byron Shire Council as a corrupt bunch of nitwits.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 9th Aug, 2011

I agree with much of what ThatDude123 has said.

Many people might lament that Splendour isn't the niche indie festival it once was, but others will fill that gap. Splendour is carving new ground in terms of an Australian multi day festival trying to emulate a big European or American festival.

If people ever want Australia to have a Glastonbury style festival then it needs to start somewhere. Splendour would seem pretty appropriate.

With Splendour growing, other festivals will fill the niche that it has left open. Other festivals like Laneway have grown massively in recent years and Harvest is happening for the first time this year.

p1owz0r

p1owz0r said on the 9th Aug, 2011

I think the issue is still the cost and the headliners.

If they can pitch it in say the high $300 range that's a much more palatable number, taking into account the strength of the dollar which means everything is expensive over here, not just music festivals.

Even if they don't (or can't) why not just spread the money a little further? Headliners don't need to be as big as Coldplay or Kan Ye. I reckon you could put on a whole stage for a day for the cost of those guys, and keep the headliners as your 'big but still indie' bands, Pulp, Flaming Lips, The Strokes, whoever.

Also the point re sideshows, yes we are well served for these but lets take that into account against the overall package - bands can come here and sell out bigger venues (in many cases) than they would in UK or US, and at comparitively higher prices - that makes Australia an attractive place for bands to visit and to stick around for a couple of weeks for...not to mention the fact it's a fucking great country.

Why keep the big guys contracted to play one show with no side shows? if they don't have the time in their schedule that is fine, but if they do, perhaps they could let them play shows in other states, knowing that this means less out of the ticket price for the festival goes to paying the band.

I know the other side is that they think people wll pay the $500 odd and whatever else because they are huge fans of whoever, but realistically how many people can that apply to?

My vote is that if they want a festival that competes with Europe and the US, and apolgies in advance Queenslanders, is that they should do a Reading/Leeds type event in Sydney and Melbourne, or even a V Festival UK type thing where it's a Saturday and Sunday, in the two biggest cities, in a bigger site.

Jestarrr

Jestarrr said on the 9th Aug, 2011

does the byron bay site have the capacity for a crowd larger that 30,000 people? i've only been to the two woodford sites, but i feel that it wasn't big enough to really be a huge festival. splendour has the potential to become a huge landmark in current australian culture - that includes things such as the arts as well as music.

there definitely needs to be a bigger distance between the alternative stages to say the amph, the sound bleed was horrible. the suggestion above for a fourth stage is a great idea as well, there should be a main stage, an alternative rock stage (not alt-rock), just a stage for other rock bands. then an electronic stage, then an acoustic one that is well away from everything else.

of course, this is all just a semi pipe dream and is probobly logistically improbable.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 9th Aug, 2011

Also the point re sideshows, yes we are well served for these but lets take that into account against the overall package - bands can come here and sell out bigger venues (in many cases) than they would in UK or US, and at comparitively higher prices - that makes Australia an attractive place for bands to visit and to stick around for a couple of weeks for...not to mention the fact it's a fucking great country.

Why keep the big guys contracted to play one show with no side shows? if they don't have the time in their schedule that is fine, but if they do, perhaps they could let them play shows in other states, knowing that this means less out of the ticket price for the festival goes to paying the band.


I think a big part of the sideshow issue is that an artist like Kanye might be charging a certain amount for the show. If you're paying him $500,000 to play Splendour then it's unlikely he'll say "I'll play a sideshow at the Hordern and you only have to pay me $100,000." For the promoter to get him to play another show they'd need to go for a venue like Acer Arena which would carry a substantial financial risk and require plenty of staff to organise. Given that they will be concurrently organising the festival and other sideshows it is highly unlikely that the promoter will have idle staff ready to do these things.

There is definitely an element of not having Brisbane sideshows so you don't cannabilise your own audience. I understand the promoter's rationale behind this completely. They would be increasing their risk and workload for what might be only a small increase in profit. When the festival doesn't sell out, this point becomes more important.

p1owz0r

p1owz0r said on the 9th Aug, 2011

I think a big part of the sideshow issue is that an artist like Kanye might be charging a certain amount for the show. If you're paying him $500,000 to play Splendour then it's unlikely he'll say "I'll play a sideshow at the Hordern and you only have to pay me $100,000." For the promoter to get him to play another show they'd need to go for a venue like Acer Arena which would carry a substantial financial risk and require plenty of staff to organise. Given that they will be concurrently organising the festival and other sideshows it is highly unlikely that the promoter will have idle staff ready to do these things.

There is definitely an element of not having Brisbane sideshows so you don't cannabilise your own audience. I understand the promoter's rationale behind this completely. They would be increasing their risk and workload for what might be only a small increase in profit. When the festival doesn't sell out, this point becomes more important.

The latter point is of course complete common sense and I totally agree.

As for the former, I think it's more of a case of saying 'you'll get $xyz for these dates and making that stack up to a sum that is worthwhile for him to take the time out for.

As far as arena shows carrying risk, they obviously do in comparsion to theatre shows, but at the end of the day I'd bet large sums of money (if i were allowed to) that either of this years headliners would sell out an arena in Melbourne and Sydney.

So I just googles where do the fees go for concerts. I don't know if this is accurate but here is the article http://www.wisebread.com/how-much-a-breakdown-of-concert-ticket-prices

They are saying 74% of the money goes to the talent - so if you have someone like Kan Ye selling out Acer for one night, I think (please correct me, i may be wrong) the capacity is 21k or so? if that is the case and the show is $100, he is getting $74 a ticket, lets keep the maths simple and assume the crappy australian support gets peanuts, that equates to a million and a half dollars to the talent.

Hmmm is that right, sounds like too much now i've written it all down.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 9th Aug, 2011

I don't think the question or whether or not Kanye or Coldplay could sell out an Acer Arena sideshow is all that relevant. I don't think the potential ticket sales is the constraint. Moreso the organisation side of things. I highly doubt Secret Sounds has the staffing capacity to put on this size of show when they are trying to organise Splendour. Let's not forget that if they stuff up a show like this the financial costs could be huge.

I also think that there is a strong likelihood that you don't do a deal with an artist like Kanye for a certain number of shows for a certain price. I'd guess that he would say that coming out here and doing three shows involves a fee that is three times as much as doing one show.

p1owz0r

p1owz0r said on the 9th Aug, 2011

I am sure you are correct, but at the same time I expect there are other people who they can rope in to help with shows that are away from the main concert.

I am not sure about the fee point though, surely the band are making a percentage of the gate, and that being the case if they can do a show using the model in my last post then it's surely worth their while.

And if that is the model, what are they paying them to only come out and do one show, instead of them having the ability to make a mil or so a night for another 2 or 3 nights, and what is the knock on effect to your average punter?

ThatDude123

ThatDude123 said on the 9th Aug, 2011

I am sure you are correct, but at the same time I expect there are other people who they can rope in to help with shows that are away from the main concert.

I am not sure about the fee point though, surely the band are making a percentage of the gate, and that being the case if they can do a show using the model in my last post then it's surely worth their while.

And if that is the model, what are they paying them to only come out and do one show, instead of them having the ability to make a mil or so a night for another 2 or 3 nights, and what is the knock on effect to your average punter?

You do realise how hard it is to get any band to sign a sideshow contract? They prefer either their own tours or festivals, no middle-ground, especially with big-name acts. Coldplay, Kanye and Pulp are all doing festival-only tours at the moment; we were incredibly lucky to get one of them to do the extra shows they did.

p1owz0r

p1owz0r said on the 9th Aug, 2011



But i saw pulp at hordern last week

CoolRusty

CoolRusty said on the 9th Aug, 2011



You do realise ThatDude said we were lucky one of them did shows. By one of them, he meant Pulp.

p1owz0r

p1owz0r said on the 9th Aug, 2011



No, I totally skim read his post

That's what a couple of bottles of wine on a school night does to you

ThatDude123

ThatDude123 said on the 12th Aug, 2011

Did anyone pick up a copy of mX? Seems like Moreton Bay Council (where woodford is located) is fighting back as well with www.savesplendour.com.au

01seb

01seb said on the 12th Aug, 2011

I live in Moreton Bay Council area, and everyone here wants to see Splendour stay at Woodford, even everyone who works in the council. They appriciate the money it brings into the area and what it does for the local community....

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011



Conservatively those bands added $100 maybe more to the line up. I couldn't care less having those headliners, I would have still gone.

Splendour changed its formula from one that worked to one that failed to sell out for the first time in 10 years. You have to blame the headliners and the cost associated with them. Apparently Kanye was estimated to top $2 million with entourage what a waste at an indie music festival

shazie

shazie said on the 14th Aug, 2011

Conservatively those bands added $100 maybe more to the line up. I couldn't care less having those headliners, I would have still gone.

Splendour changed its formula from one that worked to one that failed to sell out for the first time in 10 years. You have to blame the headliners and the cost associated with them. Apparently Kanye was estimated to top $2 million with entourage what a waste at an indie music festival

If there was a headliner you liked instead of kanye, then you would've had them clashing with mogwai and dj shadow.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 14th Aug, 2011

Conservatively those bands added $100 maybe more to the line up. I couldn't care less having those headliners, I would have still gone.

Splendour changed its formula from one that worked to one that failed to sell out for the first time in 10 years. You have to blame the headliners and the cost associated with them. Apparently Kanye was estimated to top $2 million with entourage what a waste at an indie music festival

I read an interview where the organisers of SITG said they changed their winning formula purely to dissuade Rusty from buying a ticket.

The reason given was, and I believe this is verbatim, "we don't want that cunt here, I'd rather not sell any tickets than have that smelly shit bag at my festival."

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011

I read an interview where the organisers of SITG said they changed their winning formula purely to dissuade Rusty from buying a ticket.

The reason given was, and I believe this is verbatim, "we don't want that **** here, I'd rather not sell any tickets than have that smelly shit bag at my festival."

That literary gem deserves a wankley.

I am so glad that you didn't go to splendour this year.

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011



Even better. Shit can Kanye, Janes and Coldplay and get some real indie rock headliners that appeal to Gen Y.

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011

I said it once and I will say it again.
camping tickets re-selling for less than $200 on ebay
No selling out the festival.
MIS-MATCH of headliners including Kanye that had a wardrobe malfunction because a shirt and a pair of jeans didn't fit and gossip reporters talking about Kate Moss, Kanye, Gwyneth and Sass and Bide????
WTF this is now an entertainment festival with a focus on personalities and ego and if their pants fit and not the music.
2001 - 2011 = Win
2012 = Glastonbury in 2008 - FAIL

I hope they lost millions and return to an original format just like Michael Eavis did in 2009

I always say LOL

I always say LOL said on the 14th Aug, 2011

i said it once and i will say it again.
camping tickets re-selling for less than $200 on ebay
no selling out the festival.
mis-match of headliners including kanye that had a wardrobe malfunction because a shirt and a pair of jeans didn't fit and gossip reporters talking about kate moss, kanye, gwyneth and sass and bide????
wtf this is now an entertainment festival with a focus on personalities and ego and if their pants fit and not the music.
2001 - 2011 = win
2012 = glastonbury in 2008 - fail

i hope they lost millions and return to an original format just like michael eavis did in 2009

lol

monokhrome_nite

monokhrome_nite said on the 14th Aug, 2011

glastonbury in 2008 was hardly a failure =\

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011

Wow splendour dodged a bullet by a week

More good luck than good management


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQU30-yESc

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011



A financial failure and te worst crime stats they have EVER had.

If any year was going to be called a failure that was it.

Michael Eavis almost went broke

monokhrome_nite

monokhrome_nite said on the 14th Aug, 2011

te worst crime stats they have ever had.


[citation needed]

it was hardly a financial failure either. they still sold out, which is impressive considering the recession at the time, and the shitty weather in 07.

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011

Splendour if you keep on booking fuckwits your going to have an army of Good Vibrations / fans ooh they didn't end up doing so well huh!

Cut out this commercial vibe. Back to indie format please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivWnWnYKZGU

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 14th Aug, 2011

Get over it Rusty.

Splendour is 11 and a half months away. Please give us a break.

I am sure there are Kanye Conspiracy forums somewhere else on the internet. Maybe you can find some fellow tinfoil hat wearers over there.

ThatDude123

ThatDude123 said on the 14th Aug, 2011



...was in 2002 when the fence around the site was comprimised and 50000 gatecrashers made their way onto the site.

Nice fact fail.

Jose Cuervo

Jose Cuervo said on the 14th Aug, 2011

He's not even a funny troll anymore :(

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011

[citation needed]

it was hardly a financial failure either. they still sold out, which is impressive considering the recession at the time, and the shitty weather in 07.

No they changed their format and lost money on the interest they usually receive. Hence the money they had to pay interest on before the show that emily thought Jay-Z would work as a headliner with KOL. Furthermore they almost went broke!

It all ended with Michael Eavis admitting that next year 09 will b a more traditional set of headliners

Kanye was a knob, Coldplay was boring and Janes are overpaid under achievers.

So next year will either be back to basics with headliners or Good Vibrations in the Grass with more poor sales and they won't be back the year after.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 14th Aug, 2011

I love that you had a shit time because you're too retarded to not let an act you don't like at a festival bother you.

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011

Get over it Rusty.

Splendour is 11 and a half months away. Please give us a break.

I am sure there are Kanye Conspiracy forums somewhere else on the internet. Maybe you can find some fellow tinfoil hat wearers over there.

Hey fence sitter. Did you enjoy Splendour this year?

Did you end up forking out for the festival?

Did you take time off work to do this?

No you didn't do squat except get all soppy when hearing about it over the weekend.

It was a good festival with shithouse headliners that were a massive mis match.

The crowd was so different too, but you didn't experience it, you can be an armchair critic that you are.

Jose Cuervo

Jose Cuervo said on the 14th Aug, 2011

No they changed their format and lost money on the interest they usually receive. Hence the money they had to pay interest on before the show that emily thought Jay-Z would work as a headliner with KOL. Furthermore they almost went broke!

It all ended with Michael Eavis admitting that next year 09 will b a more traditional set of headliners

Kanye was a knob, Coldplay was boring and Janes are overpaid under achievers.

So next year will either be back to basics with headliners or Good Vibrations in the Grass with more poor sales and they won't be back the year after.

How many times do we have to go through this. Jay z holds the record for 2 biggest crowd for a single act at Glastonbury after snoop dog....yeah bigger than radiohead, sir Paul, kol and the verve.....

Jose Cuervo

Jose Cuervo said on the 14th Aug, 2011

No they changed their format and lost money on the interest they usually receive. Hence the money they had to pay interest on before the show that emily thought Jay-Z would work as a headliner with KOL. Furthermore they almost went broke!

It all ended with Michael Eavis admitting that next year 09 will b a more traditional set of headliners

Kanye was a knob, Coldplay was boring and Janes are overpaid under achievers.

So next year will either be back to basics with headliners or Good Vibrations in the Grass with more poor sales and they won't be back the year after.

How many times do we have to go through this. Jay z holds the record for 2 biggest crowd for a single act at Glastonbury after snoop dog....yeah bigger than radiohead, sir Paul, kol and tue verve.....

RustyinBondi

RustyinBondi said on the 14th Aug, 2011



Really

I had a great time. I was there, supporting the festival that I adore and 90% of the acts that I am inspired by and in awe of.

It just happens that the 5% of acts that I disliked accounted for over 25% of the ticket price and as a paying punter I am voicing it loudly and proudly.

2 million for Kanye, Go get fucked!

Muse, Radiohead, Foo Fighters are serious 2 million acts for an indie festival not Kanye this is not Roc tha Bloc.

By yourself, Braveheart and Jose not going this year speaks volumes of the artist selection and what the festival has become

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 14th Aug, 2011


By yourself, Braveheart and Jose not going this year speaks volumes of the artist selection and what the festival has become

The lineup had nothing to do with me not going to Splendour.

I've been five times before. My friends and I have got old and stopped going.

I think it is great that Splendour is growing and slowly getting closer to a Glastonbury or Coachella experience for Australian music fans.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 14th Aug, 2011

Muse and Foo Fighters are my favourite indie bands after Bon Jovi.

ThatDude123

ThatDude123 said on the 15th Aug, 2011

No they changed their format and lost money on the interest they usually receive. Hence the money they had to pay interest on before the show that emily thought Jay-Z would work as a headliner with KOL. Furthermore they almost went broke!



I love that the only person whose arguements you havent properly refuted are by the person who went to both Glastonbury and Splendour.

Anywho, Michael Eavis considers the booking of Jay-Z a milestone because a) he drew a crowd to the pyramid stage unseen before and b) it set a precedent for being able to book more mainstream-yet-entertaining acts like Snoop Dogg, Tinie Tempah, Ke$ha, Shakira and Beyonce (all of which got record crowds and played at sold-out Glastonburys [Glastonburies?] btw)

Also, the main reason people avoided buying tickets in 08, despite what Oasis would tell you, was due to major flooding and torrential rain the year before, causing many to worry if they were going to have to paddle out to their tents by the Saturday.

Seriously, get the fuck out of my internet RustyinBondi. You're a shit troll with straw man arguments and even compared to that racist Slip_dog you talk nothign but shit.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 15th Aug, 2011

I love that the only person whose arguements you havent properly refuted are by the person who went to both Glastonbury and Splendour.

Anywho, Michael Eavis considers the booking of Jay-Z a milestone because a) he drew a crowd to the pyramid stage unseen before and b) it set a precedent for being able to book more mainstream-yet-entertaining acts like Snoop Dogg, Tinie Tempah, Ke$ha, Shakira and Beyonce (all of which got record crowds and played at sold-out Glastonburys [Glastonburies?] btw)

Also, the main reason people avoided buying tickets in 08, despite what Oasis would tell you, was due to major flooding and torrential rain the year before, causing many to worry if they were going to have to paddle out to their tents by the Saturday.

Seriously, get the fuck out of my internet RustyinBondi. You're a shit troll with straw man arguments and even compared to that racist Slip_dog you talk nothign but shit.

... and on that note.

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