Mammal split up

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Sun 1st Nov, 2009 in Local News

Melbourne’s hard rocking Mammal have broken up.

In a statement released to fans the band claim that “Due to long standing personal, political, musical and business differences, Mammal has decided it cannot continue and is no moreÃ¢â‚¬Â¦”

Frontman Ezekiel Ox will release the debut album from his The Ox And The Fury project in early 2010, as well as continuing to work with super-producer and long time friend Forrester Savell under the name Smash Nova.

Ox’s bandmates Pete Williamson, Nick Adams and Zane Rosanoski will continue to work together with a new project scheduled for 2010.

Sadly the break up caused the last minute cancellation of a gig scheduled for 31 October at Space Nightclub in Sydney. The sudden decision has also led to the cancellation of two Victorian all-ages gigs, 15 gigs in the UK supporting The Answer and appearances at Dreamworld for New Years Eve and on the bill at Solar Music Festival.

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adam1975

adam1975 said on the 1st Nov, 2009

that sucks the big one. :(

ashryn

ashryn said on the 1st Nov, 2009

this is terrible

brittles

brittles said on the 1st Nov, 2009

What are the bogans doing to do now?

super-fantastich

super-fantastich said on the 1st Nov, 2009

The Fool

The Fool said on the 1st Nov, 2009

Worst fucking band ever. Apart from Karnivool and the Butterfly Effect

Good fucking riddance

disco

disco said on the 1st Nov, 2009

ox does get a tad annoying with his holier than thou attitude.
but they put on a great show.

clashpalace said on the 1st Nov, 2009

Couldn't agree with ya more the fool! Good Riddance!

dkos

dkos said on the 1st Nov, 2009

Stuo

Stuo said on the 1st Nov, 2009

SharpShooter

SharpShooter said on the 1st Nov, 2009

stuo. when this article came out i thought of you. sad. i know how much you like mammal.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 1st Nov, 2009

I'd prefer a Phish or a Rock Lobster much more than a Mammal.

Chainsaw said on the 1st Nov, 2009

It's a shame really they were a really energetic live act the times I saw them at various festivals.

CerpicO

CerpicO said on the 1st Nov, 2009

they were fun live, its just the songs they were playing werent very good

saimagizzle said on the 1st Nov, 2009

Fuck prog-Bogancore up it's Toohey's New soaked arse.

This band were pretty awful, and as The Fool said, so are the rest. I've listened to Tool as well, doesn't mean I'm going to start a band.

Josh123 said on the 1st Nov, 2009

this is great news! awesome start to the week. now if we can just get rid of all the tools in mammal t-shirts!

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 1st Nov, 2009

Fuck prog-Bogancore up it's Toohey's New soaked arse.

This band were pretty awful, and as The Fool said, so are the rest. I've listened to Tool as well, doesn't mean I'm going to start a band.

Have you ever listened to Mammal?
They sound nothing like Tool.

amemt

amemt said on the 1st Nov, 2009

clashpalace said on the 1st Nov, 2009

Fuck prog-Bogancore up it's Toohey's New soaked arse.

This band were pretty awful, and as The Fool said, so are the rest. I've listened to Tool as well, doesn't mean I'm going to start a band.

ROFL, so true!

clashpalace said on the 1st Nov, 2009

Have you ever listened to Mammal?
They sound nothing like Tool.

Vocally theyre nothing like them. But I think the point was aimed at all prog-bogancore bands. Who take that style of drumming... and then build on it with done to death riffs with copious amounts of delayed clean tone.

Ill give credit where credit is due though. Mammal did innovate in deviating from the genre with non operatic vox...

so basically the progression of music has gone something like this

-90s prog metal -> 00's prog-bogacore -> prog-bogancore-rap/metal revival? (mammal)
-90s rap/metal -> ???? ->

Cutting edge.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 1st Nov, 2009

I actually like a lot of what you guys would call "prog-bogancore" - Karnivool, Dead Letter Circus, Cog etc.
I guess there's the argument of them taking themselves too seriously or whatever, but I just love the energy I get from that kind of music, and I think some of it's a lot more creative than it's given credit for.

saimagizzle said on the 1st Nov, 2009

MAB - What clashpalace said, in regards to addressing the genre, rather than the band. My bad.

Keely K

Keely K said on the 1st Nov, 2009

lanesra23

lanesra23 said on the 1st Nov, 2009

I actually like a lot of what you guys would call "prog-bogancore" - Karnivool, Dead Letter Circus, Cog etc.
I guess there's the argument of them taking themselves too seriously or whatever, but I just love the energy I get from that kind of music, and I think some of it's a lot more creative than it's given credit for.

Half the songs in my running playlist are Dead Letter Circus. The energy is good. Can't say I listen to them any other time though.

lukey26

lukey26 said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

Worst fucking band ever. Apart from Karnivool and the Butterfly Effect

Good fucking riddance

Fuck prog-Bogancore up it's Toohey's New soaked arse.

This band were pretty awful, and as The Fool said, so are the rest. I've listened to Tool as well, doesn't mean I'm going to start a band.

We should just agree that describing a band as the worst band ever means worst band except for Karnivool and The Butterfly Effect.

It would be easier for everyone.

cathy_022

cathy_022 said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

This makes me sad.
Easily one of the most entertaining live acts I've ever seen.

It's funny to note that Ox is going off to do his "Ox and the Fury" thing, while the other three are sticking together... wonder who fuelled the split :P

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

Worst fucking band ever. Apart from Karnivool and the Butterfly Effect

Good fucking riddance

Pffffffffft.

One of the hardest working bands in this country.

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

Vocally theyre nothing like them. But I think the point was aimed at all prog-bogancore bands. Who take that style of drumming... and then build on it with done to death riffs with copious amounts of delayed clean tone.

Ill give credit where credit is due though. Mammal did innovate in deviating from the genre with non operatic vox...

so basically the progression of music has gone something like this

-90s prog metal -> 00's prog-bogacore -> prog-bogancore-rap/metal revival? (mammal)
-90s rap/metal -> ???? ->

Cutting edge.

You have absolutely no idea what so ever. Its funny

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

We should just agree that describing a band as the worst band ever means worst band except for Karnivool and The Butterfly Effect.

It would be easier for everyone.

Wasn't it you that thought The Cat Empire the worst band ever? Or am I thinking of somebody else.

And really, in a world of Brokencyde, the Jonas Brothers, Daughtry and Nickelback, Karnivool and TBE don't even come close to being the worst band - regardless of what you think of them.

dkos

dkos said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

I would rather listen to Creed than listen to Karnivool or Cog.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

You poor thing.

disco

disco said on the 2nd Nov, 2009

karnivool are awesome.
and so am i.

rodismdotcom

rodismdotcom said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

Pffffffffft.

One of the hardest working bands in this country.

I agree, irrespective of whether u like them or not, they toured constantly oz wide for the last 3 years with very little airplay and bulit up a fan base thru sheer hard work.

I admire their determination - most bands couldn't be arsed.

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

I second that....*shudders*

I want to know why people refer to these bands as 'bogan' acts....

clashpalace said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

Oh n0333es I have no idea because I hurtz ur feelings about ur shit bands?

Mate I went through that genre circa the late 90's, when it was remotely fresh. IE the first round of aussie bands influenced by Tool to some extent. Was even actually INTO TBE circa 2000 when 'nu metal' was fresh and I was a silly teen with poor music taste.

Saw Full Scale many a time. Even was at a show at the dale when Ox joined clint of tbe onstage. A mate from Brissy hooked me up with TBE before they played Syd shows at the dale.

So I've got a pretty good grounding in that genre (unfortunately)

But the fact of the matter is, 10 years on. Its fucking yawnsville.

Somehow Karnivool overtook TBE as the premier blue singlet working touring band. No doubt after TBE started recycling their own albums and touring overseas like work-aholics.

Dealing with Karnivool's first LP (which was remotely ok) was pain enough hearing the dead and dull genre still going.

But then now having other bands jump on board doing EXACTLY the same thing.... all the dead-letter bands etc..

And I haven't mentioned the 100's of shitty shitty bands that I've seen over the years that sound exactly like karnivool/tbe/tool that have fallen apart and never gone anywhere.

It's painfull, it really is.

I'll quote Kim Gordon when asked why Led Zeppelin sucks

"Because of all of the shitty cover bands over the years"

The whole deliver operatic epic vocals over tool drum rhythms and epic 'blow ur load' riffs / delayed down-tuned clean tone is just shit

It's taken too seriously, its become dull, dead, boring and contrived.

And it's only raved about by bogans.

If your a bogan.... then fine don't listen to me and Enjoy it... whatever.

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

Oh n0333es I have no idea because I hurtz ur feelings about ur shit bands?

Mate I went through that genre circa the late 90's, when it was remotely fresh. IE the first round of aussie bands influenced by Tool to some extent. Was even actually INTO TBE circa 2000 when 'nu metal' was fresh and I was a silly teen with poor music taste.

Saw Full Scale many a time. Even was at a show at the dale when Ox joined clint of tbe onstage. A mate from Brissy hooked me up with TBE before they played Syd shows at the dale.

So I've got a pretty good grounding in that genre (unfortunately)

But the fact of the matter is, 10 years on. Its fucking yawnsville.

Somehow Karnivool overtook TBE as the premier blue singlet working touring band. No doubt after TBE started recycling their own albums and touring overseas like work-aholics.

Dealing with Karnivool's first LP (which was remotely ok) was pain enough hearing the dead and dull genre still going.

But then now having other bands jump on board doing EXACTLY the same thing.... all the dead-letter bands etc..

And I haven't mentioned the 100's of shitty shitty bands that I've seen over the years that sound exactly like karnivool/tbe/tool that have fallen apart and never gone anywhere.

It's painfull, it really is.

I'll quote Kim Gordon when asked why Led Zeppelin sucks

"Because of all of the shitty cover bands over the years"

The whole deliver operatic epic vocals over tool drum rhythms and epic 'blow ur load' riffs / delayed down-tuned clean tone is just shit

It's taken too seriously, its become dull, dead, boring and contrived.

And it's only raved about by bogans.

If your a bogan.... then fine don't listen to me and Enjoy it... whatever.

Did a bogan spill a drink on you whilst you were in a Karnivool mosh pit or something?

I can understand your reason for hating these bands. And its fair enough. I love Karnivool....couldnt care for TBE, but Mammal (which is the band we are talking about) are nothing like you describe "Down tuned delayed riffs" hahaha it sounds like some Sun Herald hack trying to use what they think are 'in-depth' musical terms.

Either way, these guys work their arses off. Despite what you think. They tour their arses off. They do all this on enough money to fill their tanks and pay for flights. its not an easy life.

And the bogan thing. Shit...just because a few bogans like their music, doesnt mean they themselves are a bad band. Hell, just go to parklife and you will see more bogans dressed in fluro that you will see at any Karnivool/Mammal gig.

And no, i am not a bogan. Not as far as i can tell anyways.

Oh and please, keep your 'in-depth' musical terms coming....

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

Vocally theyre nothing like them. But I think the point was aimed at all prog-bogancore bands. Who take that style of drumming... and then build on it with done to death riffs with copious amounts of delayed clean tone.
.

What are you even talking about?
TBE, drums are nothing like Danny Carey's. Karnivool, maybe..just maybe you could make some comparison...hardly though. For one the Karnivool drummers background is in RnB. He is, an RnB drummer. If you listen to Sound Awake you can hear the Rnb Influence.

Please also, enlighten me on what 'Death Riffs' are?

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

Dealing with Karnivool's first LP (which was remotely ok) was pain enough hearing the dead and dull genre still going.

No it wasnt remotely ok. IT was what you have been describing in your last couple of rants. Tool/Alternative rip offs. The EP really isnt at all what i would call decent listening material.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

You missed on the "done to" in front of "death".

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

hahaha

MAB, am i making sense or just talking shit. I dont know anymore.

dkos

dkos said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

If you have to ask that then

a) you have never been to one of these shows
OR
b) you are a bogan yourself

Your move hotshot.

lanesra23

lanesra23 said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

What are you even talking about?
TBE, drums are nothing like Danny Carey's. Karnivool, maybe..just maybe you could make some comparison...hardly though. For one the Karnivool drummers background is in RnB. He is, an RnB drummer. If you listen to Sound Awake you can hear the Rnb Influence.

Please also, enlighten me on what 'Death Riffs' are?

Drumming aside, Sound Awake has Tool influence all over it.

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

Yeah no doubt. it does. But what is the problem. Tool are massive, of course they are going to have a massive influence. Every band has a massive influence from their peers.

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

If you have to ask that then

a) you have never been to one of these shows
OR
b) you are a bogan yourself

Your move hotshot.

I have seen Karnivool pretty much everytime they have been in sydney. Seen TBE many a times as well.

But, the amount of Bogans attending arent any different from any other gigs i go to. I mean, its either that, or a bunch of dolled up, arrogant indie kids.

I mean, we do live in Australia, they are everywhere.

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

It also has Meshuggah Influence all over it.

dkos

dkos said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

I have seen Karnivool pretty much everytime they have been in sydney. Seen TBE many a times as well.

But, the amount of Bogans attending arent any different from any other gigs i go to. I mean, its either that, or a bunch of dolled up, arrogant indie kids.

I mean, we do live in Australia, they are everywhere.

Just as I suspected.

Anyway, if you figure that those are the only types of audiences in Australia then you are going to far too few gigs.

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

Just as I suspected.

Anyway, if you figure that those are the only types of audiences in Australia then you are going to far too few gigs.

Maybe....

that or i'm not as good at stereotyping people

disco

disco said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

Oh n0333es I have no idea because I hurtz ur feelings about ur shit bands?

Mate I went through that genre circa the late 90's, when it was remotely fresh. IE the first round of aussie bands influenced by Tool to some extent. Was even actually INTO TBE circa 2000 when 'nu metal' was fresh and I was a silly teen with poor music taste.

Saw Full Scale many a time. Even was at a show at the dale when Ox joined clint of tbe onstage. A mate from Brissy hooked me up with TBE before they played Syd shows at the dale.

So I've got a pretty good grounding in that genre (unfortunately)

But the fact of the matter is, 10 years on. Its fucking yawnsville.

Somehow Karnivool overtook TBE as the premier blue singlet working touring band. No doubt after TBE started recycling their own albums and touring overseas like work-aholics.

Dealing with Karnivool's first LP (which was remotely ok) was pain enough hearing the dead and dull genre still going.

But then now having other bands jump on board doing EXACTLY the same thing.... all the dead-letter bands etc..

And I haven't mentioned the 100's of shitty shitty bands that I've seen over the years that sound exactly like karnivool/tbe/tool that have fallen apart and never gone anywhere.

It's painfull, it really is.

I'll quote Kim Gordon when asked why Led Zeppelin sucks

"Because of all of the shitty cover bands over the years"

The whole deliver operatic epic vocals over tool drum rhythms and epic 'blow ur load' riffs / delayed down-tuned clean tone is just shit

It's taken too seriously, its become dull, dead, boring and contrived.

And it's only raved about by bogans.

If your a bogan.... then fine don't listen to me and Enjoy it... whatever.

good lord, if we were to base our musical taste solely on what these rockstars sprout on a whim in their myriad of interviews then we would forever be chasing our tails,
take these comments with a grain of salt.
tool are one of my favourite bands and the amount of bogans spoiling it at their big day out performance was astounding, but i dont hold that against the band.

BTIazza

BTIazza said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

good lord, if we were to base our musical taste solely on what these rockstars sprout on a whim in their myriad of interviews then we would forever be chasing our tails,
take these comments with a grain of salt.
tool are one of my favourite bands and the amount of bogans spoiling it at their big day out performance was astounding, but i dont hold that against the band.

Thats it dude.

I mean, I can empathise. I dont mind a lil bit of parkway drive. And if you want to see a bogan fest....well hell, go along to one of their gigs. Its terrible. A bunch of meatheads punching each other in the face. Not my idea of a good time. But i still dotn mind parkway

rodismdotcom

rodismdotcom said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

If bogans are into Karnivool, who then is into Nickelback?

lineofbestfit

lineofbestfit said on the 3rd Nov, 2009

all those bands like cog, karnivool etc are living in the past and more than mediocre. BUtterfuly effect for next break up.

mondo22

mondo22 said on the 4th Nov, 2009

im making my own assumption that the rest of the band is mainly sick of Ox's political bullshit