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Anthrax’s Scott Ian wantsillegal downloaders bannedfrom the internet

“The whole record industry has collapsed because people are stealing. That’s the end of the story.”

That’s Anthrax axeman Scott Ian on the current state of the record business. In an interview with New Times Ian has detailed his views on the decline of record sales, and how illegal downloaders should be punished for stealing music.

The new Anthrax album Worship Music sold 30,000 copies to debut on the Billboard charts at No. 12, the band’s highest debut in 20 years, but according to Ian “to put it in perspective sales-wise, it just sucks that 30,000 is considered a huge success in 2011. It’s a double-edged sword because on one hand it’s like, “Woo-hoo, we did great,” but then it’s also like, “Yeah, but how many other people stole the record, and you should have sold 150,000 copies this first week?””

According to the Anthrax guitarist, punters have a sense of entitlement now where they think music is free; “Before the internet, the only way to steal music was to walk into a music store and physically walk out with something, and you were stealing, and you knew it. You knew, unless you’re a fucking maniac, that there was a consequence. If you got caught, you were going to get in trouble.”

“On the internet, there is no consequence for stealing. Nobody gets in trouble for stealing music; nobody gets in trouble for stealing movies. Illegal downloading has no consequence. So until there is a consequence, it’s going to happen more and more and more, and people are going to see less and less original and good content from the record industry and movie industry.”

So what is Ian’s solution to this issue?

“You lose your Internet. That’s it, no more Internet for you. Seriously! Like you drive drunk, you lose the privilege of driving. You download illegally, you lose the privilege of having the Internet. The punishment fits the crime… Throwing people in jail isn’t the answer, and even fining them and all that, I don’t think that’s the answer either. Just stop their access, because these people live on the internet, and that’s all they care about. So stop their internet access and they’ll stop stealing.”

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Stefan Beck

Stefan Beck said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

I like the cut of his jib.

ampersand

ampersand said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

%u201cbefore the internet, the only way to steal music was to walk into a music store and physically walk out with something, and you were stealing, and you knew it."

uh... scott? you remember back in the olden days, when people used to buy cassettes, and then lend them to their friends, and people would copy the cassettes?

or when cd burners became popular, and people would borrow albums off friends and burn copies for each other?

catch up dude. the internet isn't your enemy. in fact, it could be your best friend, if you just learned how to use it and stopped trying to blame it for all your problems.

monokhrome_nite

monokhrome_nite said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

[url=http://banned.ytmnd.com/]I felt this was appropriate

pirateninjasaur

pirateninjasaur said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

what? my album only sold 30,000 copies? but we're awesome, people must have stolen it!

DinkiDIDude

DinkiDIDude said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

LMFAO at 'banned from the internet'

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Anthrax-Discography-1982-2007-mp3-128-320/4358b055fd3cf5a92662adb698c6bccd535b4f9aad61

Art Vanderlay

Art Vanderlay said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

Considering how shite Anthrax are these days he should be glad people are taking the time to steal their music.

NichEast

NichEast said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

He is right to a certain extent though. It has contributed to the industry collapsing. I haven't bought a CD since....fuck I can't even remember. I download everything. I used to look forward to going and buying a new album when it came out and now they're already out before they're even supposed to be out!

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

He is right to the extent that an industry that has tried to hang onto the same business model for the last 20 years is slowly dying.

Technology has changed the music industry massively for hundreds of years. Only this time rather than embrace it, the record companies tried to fight it off.

Whilst record companies are struggling, I would wager that far more artists are making a living out of music now than ever before due to the increased exposure the internet brings and the ability to play shows around the world.

batdan

batdan said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

I bought the new album. I'm stayin on the internets!

frank_brincat

frank_brincat said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

one can not simply just be banned from the internet.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Banned_from_the_Internet

mondo22

mondo22 said on the 3rd Nov, 2011

oooh Scotty...
it's already dead

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/6489840/images/1256875135103.gif

neuroticwill

neuroticwill said on the 4th Nov, 2011

Banned from the internet, classic.

Did he also request that they 'get off his damn lawn'?

Thessaly

Thessaly said on the 4th Nov, 2011

ampersand pretty much said it all.

but really, banned from the internet... :p

...banned from the schools, university, workplace, net caffes, public wifi spots, friends' homes... heck, even jails have internet these days. we need a moon colony for these criminal rascals! :rolleyes:

having said that, i don't remember the last time i illegally downloaded something... but i guess that's because there's youtube for everything i don't feel like buying.

daveyac8881

daveyac8881 said on the 4th Nov, 2011

If this fails maybe he can rent a house dj and a ludacris to try and stay relevant

HardcoreMusic

HardcoreMusic said on the 4th Nov, 2011

i don't know if you guys realise, but nz now bans you from the internet should you get three illegal downloading strikes. thats right 'banned from the internet'. our government bowed to pressure from american music industry lobbiests and ended up fucking with our interwebs. even though the law fails as no ones been banned since into came into effect in august, its still a shitty law and stops people downloading.

now i buy all my cds :)

Silver Surfer

Silver Surfer said on the 4th Nov, 2011

What a dill.

By his logic, if you steal a record from a store you should lose your hands.

monokhrome_nite

monokhrome_nite said on the 4th Nov, 2011

i don't know if you guys realise, but nz now bans you from the internet should you get three illegal downloading strikes. thats right 'banned from the internet'. our government bowed to pressure from american music industry lobbiests and ended up fucking with our interwebs. even though the law fails as no ones been banned since into came into effect in august, its still a shitty law and stops people downloading.

now i buy all my cds :)

Haven't even received a single email or warning. That law is a major derp on everybody's part

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 4th Nov, 2011

i find this whole debate pretty hilarious and pointless. but i do have one question.

is there a difference between someone back in the 80s and 90s giving their mate a cd mixtape for free and someone in the 2000s file sharing P2P online?

i personally can't see the difference. would love to be enlightened.

monokhrome_nite

monokhrome_nite said on the 4th Nov, 2011

I just wanna know how he expects those "banned from the internet" to be monitored. Like, would they be assigned a parole officer or something to keep tabs on their internet levels? Would they have an ankle bracelet that goes off whenever they're within 2 metres of a computer?

grattan

grattan said on the 4th Nov, 2011

is there a difference between someone back in the 80s and 90s giving their mate a cd mixtape for free and someone in the 2000s file sharing P2P online?

i personally can't see the difference. would love to be enlightened.

Scale.

Mixtape - personal collection of tunes put together for one friend.
Illegal album download - whole albums made available to millions of punters.

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 5th Nov, 2011

Scale.

Mixtape - personal collection of tunes put together for one friend.
Illegal album download - whole albums made available to millions of punters.

so isn't that a good thing? the former exposes your music to one other person the latter exposes it to millions. i would much rather the latter.

i was listening to the John Peel lecture last night given by pete townsend and he raised a really good point "would an artist go hungry for more exposure or be well fed but lack exposure". not being an artist myself i can't really answer that question but it is an interesting thought.

grattan

grattan said on the 5th Nov, 2011



Greater exposure but to what end? Hard to imagine anyone thinking "Woo! More people are enjoying my work without giving me anything in return!"

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 5th Nov, 2011



instead of having their mum and 2 drunken mates turn up to their gig they might have some of those people who "stole" their music and enjoyed it turn up, albeit a very small percentage of them.

i think the beauty of the rise of illegal downloading and the decline of the record industry is that musicians now need to get off the supermodel they're snorting coke off and go do a few more shows than they would've had they been reliant on album sales.

grattan

grattan said on the 5th Nov, 2011



Which kind of forces the modern musician to become a traveling tax man moving from city to city across the world to collect dues from fans.

I'm not agreeing with Scott Ian here, or arguing against the 'sinister internet' but giving your work to everyone for free simply isn't sustainable for most artists. The logic of greater exposure has been pushed to its extremes and now there seems to be an idea that by taking something for free people are actually helping bands out.

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 5th Nov, 2011

Which kind of forces the modern musician to become a traveling tax man moving from city to city across the world to collect dues from fans.

I'm not agreeing with Scott Ian here, or arguing against the 'sinister internet' but giving your work to everyone for free simply isn't sustainable for most artists. The logic of greater exposure has been pushed to its extremes and now there seems to be an idea that by taking something for free people are actually helping bands out.

i guess for me the question has never been. should i download it for free or should i go and buy the cd? it's more so should i download it or ignore it all together? and i'm sure there are a lot of people like me who if they didn't have access to free music would probably shift their interests else where. so from my perspective it's not just about greater exposure but having a much larger number of people interested in the industry and the art and at some stage pouring some money into it. money that would've probably gone to a different industry .

damo65

damo65 said on the 5th Nov, 2011

back in the old days you had to spend money to find out a band or album was shit. now you can filter.
anyone who doesn't reward bands they like is a dick.
in context, i actually spent a fair bit of money supporting scott ian back in the late 80's/early '90's. you know, when they were good. then they sacked joey belladonna and dan spitz and, consequently, became boring.

ThatDude123

ThatDude123 said on the 6th Nov, 2011



Didn't the politician who pushed for the law later get caught by it by admitting to sharing a CD with her family on twitter? Major derp.

Also I want Anthrax's music banned from the internet.

monokhrome_nite

monokhrome_nite said on the 6th Nov, 2011

Either way, the law is so badly structured and obviously rushed that if I were to download a bunch of Lady Gaga songs from my local library's wireless internet, the library would get charged and possibly shut down.

On the upside, it does say that sites like Mediafire or Megaupload are considered fair game, which is convenient enough, I guess.

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 6th Nov, 2011


On the upside, it does say that sites like Mediafire or Megaupload are considered fair game, which is convenient enough, I guess.

i think those guys get let off because they actively remove copyright infringing links on request from a label or the authorities. torrents aren't quite like that.

hedonism gibbon

hedonism gibbon said on the 7th Nov, 2011

funny cos if it wasnt for this article i wouldnt have even known they had a new album out

exposure eh?!

batdan

batdan said on the 7th Nov, 2011

We need to talk more often gibbo

hedonism gibbon

hedonism gibbon said on the 7th Nov, 2011

yeah it get's harder to remain informed once you pass 40 ....grizzle grizzle


i'm getting into blood mountain :)

Death of Marat

Death of Marat said on the 7th Nov, 2011

anthrax should be so lucky if i was to download their album.

ashryn

ashryn said on the 8th Nov, 2011

These wankers are all just pissed because instead of only the lucky few landing record deals and making pots of money, now there is a much better chance that anyone with talent can become known and loved. It also means the listening public have more choice about what they listen to, because there is no scarcity.

Marxist economics: discuss.