[Shadz]

Can I call Brody a tool?





Tool.

[brody]

What's that Shadz? Have 50 beers before our set on Saturday?

ha ha ha

Seriously though, how gard is it gonna be not to get smashed when you gotta be there for 5 hours before you play!

But that's another thread topic.

As you were.

[de-tec-tive]

i thought the supernova songs by far have been a bit on the cheesy side too, i fast fowarded most of last night performance.
dave had a massive bitch to people on a forum recently who were bagging the supernova song dilana did. if you can be bothered reading it, here's what he wrote:

Originally Posted by dave navarro

I appreciate everyone’s commitment to the show. I appreciate the fans who come to every show, cheer their asses off and, hopefully, have a great time. I appreciate the people who contribute to this forum…the true fans, who love the show, or the rockers, or Brooke, or the band, or just rock and roll on TV, because it is so rare.

We work 7 days a week producing 3 shows a week because we love the music, the rockers, the concept and because it is actually a pretty fun show to work on. No complaints.

Now, I have rarely stated my opinion on this or other forums.

My role has been to give out some information every now and then that I thought you would all like to know to keep you, the most dedicated fans, happy.

So please forgive me if you feel it is out of my bounds to give some thoughts on this current thread regarding the elimination show, particularly the first performance of Supernova.

And please also know that I am just a TV producer and am not part of the SN management, band or tour.

Here goes:

While I respect everyone’s opinion and will defend their right to express it, I am completely surprised by the overwhelming hatred of the SN song and/or performance.

Now, my first instinct upon reading these posts was an understanding of the context of hearing this first SN song. We have all been waiting since March to hear what this band would song like. A “supergroup”…Guns, Metallica, Motley….Tommy, Gilby, Jason WOW!

And THIS IS IT???

Perhaps it is impossible to meet all potential expectations that we ourselves set up over the spring and summer…think about that present for Christmas you always wanted…when you got it, how good was it? Not as great as in your mind all those months.

This all might be true, or at least part of the truth

BUT I think there is something else going on. And quite frankly, it is part of the reason it is so hard to do Rock and Roll on TV for any length of time…and maybe just why Rock and Roll, the genre of music I love, is really now just a niche genre, and will continue to be.

Here it is:

3 points

1. When did rock music get so serious (and is that the problem)?

2. Give the guys (and Dilana) a break for taking a huge risk.

3. It was better than you think, and you know it.

LAST POINT FIRST: To the people who were THERE, you KNOW what that room felt and sounded like. It was LOUD….the WHOLE TIME. That vibe was real, it was cool, it was rockin and the crowd loved it.

I pay for about 25 good looking people (read: hotties) every week so my cameras have guaranteed eye candy to shoot. I admit that. But today; the faces, the clapping, the jumping, the smiles, the applause and the cheers before, during and after the song was not Hollywood, but real.

Those of you who were there know that. You do. I heard you. I saw you.

I felt you. I usually stay in the control room to produce the show. I left to go to the theater and listen and experience that moment. I watched everything from the balcony. That performance worked.

You watch it back on TV. You saw it and you felt it again…Very little was lost. [We shot in 30p or progressive frame which is a film look and it smoked!]

The other rockers, the competition, were standing up, rocking, singing along and having a great time….wow!

SECOND point: The risk of a new song: I think we cannot forget that you just heard a brand new song, fresh out of the studio from a new group that just played their first live gig with a singer they had barely rehearsed with.

That is the point of the show. That is the real-ness we all like. That is what separates us from Idol. This is the edge of the show in its rawest form. Nothing manufactured….the real deal.

The guys took a HUGE RISK….They did not whine about their reputations on a new song debuting on international TV with a semi-professional singer. They just rocked the crap out of it. Dilana was believable. The band was tight…just one rehearsal day….imagine how good they will sound in 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years.

It WASNT perfect - thank god - it looked under rehearsed, it was sloppy and edgy at the same time.

It was, therefore, rock and roll.

THIRD POINT…and most important…the music we call rock today.

Many of you complained that the song was, “total bar band crap”…the dancers, the lyrics, the simple 3 chord progression and melody.

There were even complaints that it was too bluesy, simplistic, sexy.

Well guess what…..welcome to Rock and Roll.

I have to ask….When did rock get so serious….? For me, as much as I loved it at the time, Alternative rock did it.

I went to see every major band in the 90’s, from Nirvana to Smashing Pumpkins to Radiohead. But at the end of the day, what did Alternative give us?….maybe, almost, the end of rock….CERTAINLY the end of rock as popular music. It has yet to come back in society as pervasive….need evidence?…look at the popularity of this show vs Idol. Done.

Yes, I liked the song SN played. It reminded me of the Rock music I liked before it took itself so seriously. The Rolling Stones, the Who, Bowie, ….later the Black Crows, The Killers. Fun, escapist, catchy rock.

Today: How freakin' incredible is it that a guy like Jason Newstead, from the MOST serious metal band of all time, is up there rockin' a MAJOR KEY three chord jam – and playing with all the intensity of a teenager. Gilby's blues rock roots were in full effect and Tommy was just beating the crap of his drums, smiling the whole ride…

Forget how “big” these guys are….They were having fun with the hope that you were having fun listening.

No one was trying to understand the “human condition”…except by maybe trying to escape from it for 2 minutes and 39 seconds of sexual innuendo. .

And some of the most successful bands of all time, some of which are STILL touring, have been doing that for 40 years.

Need some proof: Listen to Good Times, Bad Times on the first Zep album - 2:25 of classic rock banality - and that song still gets played on the radio and you sing along EVERY time. Nothing wrong with that.

Rock music needs more songs about fun and less songs about woe is me. And freak EMO!

I say that was a pretty damn intriguing start - let's see where this takes them - in a few weeks we will should have a pretty good picture of what exactly a "Supernova" sounds like.

Right now it is free…if you still don’t like it in September…don’t buy the CD or the tickets.

Thank you for reading this and allowing me to post it. I expect some anger at my points. I expect some accusations of selfishness, self-promotion, and people calling me (something more than ) a jerk.

But if this show is going to stay on broadcast TV, the only show of its kind, ever, with real rock music, with its expensive songs and production values….we should accept differences in music and what we are trying to do as a healthy experiment for rock fans or all kinds, who can come together with maybe give something for everyone, under the banner of rock and roll, which we all love.

Or we can watch the equivalent of American idol next summer…because that is apparently all the broad public can agree on….least common denominator, non-offensive stuff that works because the only complaint people have about it is….uh…I forget….it puts me to sleep.

Thank you for your time.

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[Dexter Ramone]

Of course Dave is going to like the songs and the band etc! he is producing the show, and therefore has invested a lot of time and money into it!

I think there is a whole lot of room for growth in the band, and I think the songs will get better.
Hopefully so much so that they don't play last nights one again
;-P

[The Outsider]

here is a question i pose to you guys

why would you want to win this competition if your a performer already?
from what i understand most of them are already fairly accomplished performers with own bands and own songs.

i hope ryan DOESNT win but comes a close second so he can go do his own thing without the supernova crew telling him what to do

the last 3 weeks he has absolutly kicked arse and no one is even close to being in his league!

of course that may all change once he stops getting laid

[Dexter Ramone]

They are all accomplished performers to an extent yes, but this is an excellent way to walk into a band and direct a lot of the musical terms in my opinion.
I think if you were strongheaded and talented enough, you could push the Supernova guys around to your thinking and have the bonus of all the hype and free publicity before you even start!
Supernova can't just chuck out the winner if they prove difficult, because then the last 6 months would have been for nothing, as the band would not take off at all if they were to get the second placed singer etc etc.

[The Outsider]

i think you missed my point :)

i dont care for supernova, crap name just for starters.

sure they have some star pulling power and are great musicians but as far as writing songs goes they are useless
jsut listen to the 2 original songs they have performed so far as proof of that. now i read this tripe from nevaro that the reason why we didnt like the songs was because its the first time we have heard them..............O.......................K :rolleyes:

hands up who has heard songs for the first time and absolutely loved them because they rocked the socks off you right away?

ill put my hand up, sure some songs might take time to grow on you but thier new tracks put me to sleep. i gaurantee there will be no growing ;)

ryans original was great, it didnt need to grow on me so i know where my money will be going. he doesnt need supernova nor do some of the others. they have a band and songs already. they jsut need some tv time thats all :)

edit: dexter i love your sig

[icutmyownhair]

If i had a choice I'd rather join the house band than Supernova.

[Dexter Ramone]

Originally Posted by The Outsider

i think you missed my point

i dont care for supernova, crap name just for starters.

sure they have some star pulling power and are great musicians but as far as writing songs goes they are useless
jsut listen to the 2 original songs they have performed so far as proof of that. now i read this tripe from nevaro that the reason why we didnt like the songs was because its the first time we have heard them..............O.......................K

hands up who has heard songs for the first time and absolutely loved them because they rocked the socks off you right away?

ill put my hand up, sure some songs might take time to grow on you but thier new tracks put me to sleep. i gaurantee there will be no growing

ryans original was great, it didnt need to grow on me so i know where my money will be going. he doesnt need supernova nor do some of the others. they have a band and songs already. they jsut need some tv time thats all

edit: dexter i love your sig

I think we are both arguing for the same point without realising it.
I didn't think the Supernova tracks were great at all, and the originals from the singers so far have been quite impressive.
I think that whoever gets into this band will have to throw their weight around to get their stuff played, not supernovas.

We also must remember that the supernova boys haven't played together much at all, and I highly doubt they know oneanother very well yet also.
That sort of stuff takes time to gel into a coherant sound. Give them time. We know they have the talent.

And saying they JUST need tv time... Thats what every band needs lol, a lot easier to say than actually achieve wouldn't you say?!

[The Outsider]

ok now that i have re-read all of that your right

i was a little under the weather when i was debating this last time

not that it was much of a debate

[nargy]

Love your avatar, outty!

[de-tec-tive]

the thing i wonder about bands like supernova and the new inxs is how long they're gonna last? i mean the band are getting old, are they gonna make a couple of albums and disband? what if the person they choose shits them up the wall and they wanna break up after a year? they're probably locked into some 3 album contract or something anyway.

[The Outsider]

Originally Posted by nargy

Love your avatar, outty!

cheers

as far as how much life is in these sorts of bands............there is plenty of teeny boppers that will listen to it for a little while until they get bored and move on to something else and then the band will be another has been.

the age thing has nothing to do with it, i jsut dont think they will be very sucsesful for a few simple reasons, thier songs dont sound all that great thus far and anything reality t.v based is yet to really stand the test of time.

who remembers who won the first big brother or the first survivor and where are they now? in it for 15 minutes of fame and then dissapear never to be seen ever again. sure there is the occasional pesky little fucker that jsut wont get lost but thats mainly because the previously mentioned teeny boppers cant get enough of them.

[de-tec-tive]

Originally Posted by The Outsider

who remembers who won the first big brother or the first survivor and where are they now? in it for 15 minutes of fame and then dissapear never to be seen ever again. sure there is the occasional pesky little fucker that jsut wont get lost but thats mainly because the previously mentioned teeny boppers cant get enough of them.

lmao, on the topic of BB past housemates, this friend of a friend (her name is Lana) just got back from the UK last year and she was working in a sandwich bar place in the city when one day Dean from BB05 came in with a friend. Lana had been overseas for the majority of last year and didn't really watch the show anyway so she probably saw like just a couple of episodes of it when she got back. anyway, she half recognised Dean but didn't know from where and she was like "I know you from somewhere! did you go to _____ high school? did you go to _____ primary school? are you in ____ band?" hahaha. apparently Dean was a real jerk and was like "no you don't know me" etc.

yeah that story was pointless.

[kill]

Is it just me or does Gilby Clarke look like Vince Neils' twin...equally as old and ugly...though arguably as talented.

[de-tec-tive]

Originally Posted by kill

Is it just me or does Gilby Clarke look like Vince Neils' twin...equally as old and ugly...though arguably as talented.

i actually thought Gilby was semi-attractive for an older guy. post a pic of Vince Neil.

[The Outsider]

Originally Posted by de-tec-tive

i actually thought Gilby was semi-attractive for an older guy. post a pic of Vince Neil.

think warick cappa or jsut go to google image search

[Dexter Ramone]

Detective? you don't know what Vince Neil looks like? Shame!
I don't think he looks like Gilby Clarke at all Kill! Are you blind! I'm sure he is as old and ugly, but the likeness stops there!

[el_boxer181]

Originally Posted by icutmyownhair

If i had a choice I'd rather join the house band than Supernova.

Brilliant choice !

[el_boxer181]

If i hear Brooke Burke say "let's give it up for..." , i will fly over to the states personally and shove something in her mouth to shut her up.....

[de-tec-tive]

Originally Posted by el_boxer181

If i hear Brooke Burke say "let's give it up for..." , i will fly over to the states personally and shove something in her mouth to shut her up.....

how about Dave drooling over Brooke every episode?
"Brooke you look hot as shit tonight, let go fuck like rabbits after the show." lmao.

[kirst0]

is dave still with Carmen?
Hes a little creepy

[brody]

They hit Splitsville not long ago

[mcdaniel]

I thought Ryan's original song has potential. Any song that starts off with the lyrics "Take your clothes off" is good in my book!

[kirst0]

i agree with you, it was amazing. The chick that did the other original on the same nite was terrible.

[traffic_cone]

Don't worry, she's gone now. lol

[de-tec-tive]

Originally Posted by traffic_cone

Don't worry, she's gone now. lol

yep, thankgod. i'm about to tear my hair out in suspense trying to figure out who is gonna be out this week, everyone left is really good.
i love Magni but maybe he'll be out? he's awesome but he's not right for the band, which doesn't bother me cos i'd rather see him do his own thing.

[traffic_cone]

How many are left?

[The Outsider]

your right everyone left is good
but i dont really think any of them are right for supernova


ill go with storm out next though.....not really sure why
just think thats the way it will go down

[jayt]

i like how dave navarro says this "I have to ask….When did rock get so serious….? For me, as much as I loved it at the time, Alternative rock did it.
I went to see every major band in the 90’s, from Nirvana to Smashing Pumpkins to Radiohead. But at the end of the day, what did Alternative give us?….maybe, almost, the end of rock….CERTAINLY the end of rock as popular music. It has yet to come back in society as pervasive….need evidence?…look at the popularity of this show vs Idol. Done."

Does he not forget he played in Janes Addiction?? I'm don't know much about Janes Addiction, but aren't they classes as alternative rock?

[de-tec-tive]

Originally Posted by traffic_cone

How many are left?

six - storm, dilana, ryan, toby, lukas and magni

[traffic_cone]

Yup. Storm's next.

[kirst0]

storm has to be next.
i hope dilana doesnt get much further. Yes, she is extrmemely taleneted but i really dont like her attitude, theres no need to carry on the way she does. and wat was with her chanting her name wen she performed 'Every Breath You Take'?!

[Shadz]

Originally Posted by jayt

i like how dave navarro says this "I have to ask….When did rock get so serious….? For me, as much as I loved it at the time, Alternative rock did it.
I went to see every major band in the 90’s, from Nirvana to Smashing Pumpkins to Radiohead. But at the end of the day, what did Alternative give us?….maybe, almost, the end of rock….CERTAINLY the end of rock as popular music. It has yet to come back in society as pervasive….need evidence?…look at the popularity of this show vs Idol. Done."

Does he not forget he played in Janes Addiction?? I'm don't know much about Janes Addiction, but aren't they classes as alternative rock?

Janes, along with the Chilli's, virtually defined early 90's alternative, and were certainly largely responsible for bringing it to the mainstream. I LOVE early Janes, and i spend most of the time watching Rockstar trying to forget that one of my early guitar heros is now a posing Woman's Day cover bot, and is just being a general twat...

such a shame.

[mcdaniel]

Lucas or maybe Ryan would probably be the only 2 real contenders for Supernova. Not saying that the rest are talentless, but they're not right for that type of music. I'd like to see Toby come back to Australia and make a name for himself. He blows the shit outta Guy Sebastian!!

[icutmyownhair]

Originally Posted by kirst0

wat was with her chanting her name wen she performed 'Every Breath You Take'?!

that alone is enough to turn me against her. kinda reminds me of 'go russ go'.

[brody]

Originally Posted by mcdaniel

He blows the shit outta Guy Sebastian!!

Mmmm, ambiguity.

[novusonline]

Did you guys see last night? Dilana almost guaranteed she will lose now. Her hissy fit over something as small as being criticised in the press (like that won't happen again in this band)... was ridiculous. Sure, feak out the cameras, break a glass on Magni's head and cut him open, then cry like a 5 year old. I think she's just sealed the deal - its a shame because I think she's actually the best fit for their band. Not the best vocalist, but the best fit for Supernova.

Ryan actually hit it on the head when he said "some people just can't handle being at the top. They self-destruct".

This week though I think song selection will dictate who goes:

- Storm is doing "Bring Me To Life" which could go either way - she could nail it or bomb it.
- Dilana doesn't have the range for "Mother Mother"
- Ryan couldn't sing Coldplay if his hair was on fire - no falsetto
- Magni will KILL "I Alone"
- Lukas will struggle with Lithium - he hates the song
- Toby will KILL "White Wedding"

I'm tellin ya...... Toby's got a real good shot at it....... though my money is on Ryan.

[de-tec-tive]

Originally Posted by novusonline

- Toby will KILL "White Wedding"

toby has Rebel Yell, he already did White Wedding, which wasn't that great

[de-tec-tive]

wow how good was Lukas tonight?? or at least the music was, but i was really impressed!
Dilana, Storm and Magni didn't seem anything special unfortunately. i think Storm will be out tomorrow, maybe Magni next.
Ryan was good but the times when he's best is on the piano and that's not Supernova's style, he'd better quit it or he'll ruin his chances.

[brody]

Originally Posted by de-tec-tive

wow how good was Lukas tonight?? or at least the music was, but i was really impressed!

Yeah, I really dug the arrangement too. He's gotta be right up there.

Storm was shit. The worst I've seen her. Worse than I Will Survive even. I think she's goneskis.

Dilana was good as always. Again, nothing new or exciting though.

Magni looks like he wants to go home, but still kills it every time.

Toby was good last night. I actually believed him, unlike every performance until now.

Ryan's fuckin tremendous. I hope he doesn't win 'cause he'll be the singer of a shit house band then, but either way, he's the find of the series for mine.

[kirst0]

Originally Posted by de-tec-tive

toby has Rebel Yell, he already did White Wedding, which wasn't that great

I gotta disagree with you i thought he did an Amazing job with White Wedding.

I only caught Dilanas performance last and thought she really pulled Mother Mother off, i had my doubts but she does have alot of aggression in her voice.

[de-tec-tive]

Originally Posted by brody

Magni looks like he wants to go home, but still kills it every time.

yeah i thought Magni looked kind of sad last night when he was performing, he must miss his family alot. poor guy.

[brody]

I think there's a bit of "You're all such fuckin posers. I'm just gonna get up here and rock out" about him too, which could explain why he looks a little disinterested sometimes.

[novusonline]

I think Storm's gone tonight, and in a strange twist of fate, its her fans that killed her. What a crap song for her to have to sing..... waaaayyy out of her range.

I must be on a different planet than most on this forum, cos Lukas doesn't do it for me at all. Don't get me wrong, he's got awesome stage presence and is probably the biggest "star", but I think he's an average vocalist. I didn't like his vocals on Lithium last night at all. He's a one trick pony - he's got that clenched scream and a soft clean voice and not much in between.

Ryan did an excellent job of hiding his lack of falsetto strength behind stage presence - all that jumping around and work on the piano..... good performance, not a great one.

Vocally the best performances last night were Magni (sorry, like him or hate him he KILLED that song), Toby and Dilana. I must admit I thought Dilana would struggle with the range in Mother Mother but she drilled it. And I think Toby's persona suits Supernova as well as his voice. Did you hear his backing vox in Storm's song?? He's got range.....

Storm gone this week. Magni next week. Then I'm picking Ryan, Toby and Lukas in that order - Dilana to win it.

[kirst0]

IMO Dilana screwed up wat chances she had when she carried on like a five year old over the last week.
I think it will come down to Ryan and Toby in the end, and deservingly so. As much as id like to see Toby win, id like to see him come home and do his own thing.
I dont think Magni or Lukas's images gel well with Supernova.

[de-tec-tive]

Originally Posted by novusonline

I must be on a different planet than most on this forum, cos Lukas doesn't do it for me at all. Don't get me wrong, he's got awesome stage presence and is probably the biggest "star", but I think he's an average vocalist. I didn't like his vocals on Lithium last night at all. He's a one trick pony - he's got that clenched scream and a soft clean voice and not much in between.

i agree. i hated him before, now he's not so bad but still needs to learn how to sing properly.

if you go on that supernova forum i posted the link to earlier in this thread they've got some other performances in the audio thread that were done on a radio show or something last week, some different songs and collabs in there.

[brody]

What planet is that Novus? ha ha ha. I'll concede that he's not the greatest singer, but you don't have to be to be an awesome front man. Trust me. I know. ha ha ha

[The Outsider]

what planet is supernova on?

so ok they did ryan a favour by letting him go and i have no doubt you will see more of him as a solo artist or with his own band but to say storm is more suitable for thier band is just rubbish

she sounded off tonight and so did dilana. ryan did great and got booted.

[de-tec-tive]

wow i can't believe Ryan is gone! they didn't even give him a reason, just a bunch of compliments, pretty frustrating.