[Jordy1982]

all our lives it seems we're told to have a back up. a just in case. a reserve. all that means is that you end up juggling two lives. and eventually one of them has got to give. and by that stage what you really wanted to do has been made too frightening for you to even contemplate yet alone pursue. it's like juggling chainsaws and someone throws you a teddy bear. the whole thing gets you off guard and instinctively you grab for the soft plush bear hurtling towards your head. and sure you might get it, but those chainsaws are mighty unforgiving and they'll come back down on you and pretty soon you've got no arms.

ok so maybe that analogy isn't 100% right but you get my drift. plan b's are evil. they're designed to steal your spirit. i say shred, burn and smoke the ashes of plan b and get back to living a life that is all about plan A. i don't care what plan A is... if it's to be an accountant then be the best accountant you can be, get possessed by balance sheets, and profit and loss statements and other things accounty. be so good and passionate about what you do that they have to name processes after you, systems after you, that accountants all over the world erect statues of you. that you get groupies, after all why should rock stars get all the groupies?

and i know all of us have wanted to be a rock star. so why not? why not pick up that dusty guitar, take the sheet off the drum kit, unclasp that accordion and get back doing what you once loved? get in touch with your inner rock god. and play. Why can’t I be a rock star? Why can’t we all be rock stars.
Carl. thezeromovement.com

[Luke]

Simple answer: because some people do not rock.

[Jamezwm]

Are members of polka bands considered rockers, or polka-ers?

[Ginger Ninja]

A noble ideal, Jordy, and one that is definitely worth considering. I have to agree with Luke, though: there are some people who should have given up long ago.
John Farnham is a prime suspect, but hardly a rock star. Any suggestions as to artists/bands who should've quit before they left the garage?

[and_vandalism]

Simple Plan.

Man..i could name so many..

[jaydubya]

bernard fanning

[talitha]

I don't have a Plan B. But Plan A doesn't include being a rock star.

[citizen snips]

I don't even have a Plan A.

[spgirl]

Originally Posted by Ginger Ninja

A noble ideal, Jordy, and one that is definitely worth considering. I have to agree with Luke, though: there are some people who should have given up long ago.
John Farnham is a prime suspect, but hardly a rock star. Any suggestions as to artists/bands who should've quit before they left the garage?

Different people like different things. Obviously bands like Simple Plan are popular for a reason?

The trance scene should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago so the people like me don't have to be tormented but horrific sounds people like to call music.

[soma]

Originally Posted by spgirl

Different people like different things. Obviously bands like Simple Plan are popular for a reason?

Gee, I wonder what the SP in SPGIRL stands for?

Ideally there would be no need for plan B but unfortunately we don't live in fairy land. And being in a band isn't all about rock, booze, and chicks. It takes a fair amount of outlay from the band members to get anywhere and to be able to do that, you need your plan B behind you as a sort of financial crutch. EVERYTHING costs money in music , from rehearsal space to getting to shows, and sadly the dole doesn't usually cut it funds wise. The reality is if you want to be a rock star, you have to be able to afford to get there.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by soma

Gee, I wonder what the SP in SPGIRL stands for?

Ideally there would be no need for plan B but unfortunately we don't live in fairy land. And being in a band isn't all about rock, booze, and chicks. It takes a fair amount of outlay from the band members to get anywhere and to be able to do that, you need your plan B behind you as a sort of financial crutch. EVERYTHING costs money in music , from rehearsal space to getting to shows, and sadly the dole doesn't usually cut it funds wise. The reality is if you want to be a rock star, you have to be able to afford to get there.

Finally we agree on something Soma....he he he

OK the reason we have a plan B is because, if indeed I were to have a 110% crack at plan A what happens if it doesn't work out?

then what? I have no money, no financial security no house, paying rent, no means of any decent income and no superannuation which is short means me = fucked.

Whereas if indeed I do go ahead and do my plan b which I am also very passionate about means that hey I can look back and go, "yes we were kids and we attempted to rock and drank booze and took drugs and shagged birds and this and that but now I am a responsible adult caring for my sprogs and living a comfortable life.

Seems common sense to me,

dont get me wrogn Joel1982 I am very fond of the notion you layed out but in reality it dont work me dont thinks.

[wannabe]

Originally Posted by citizen snips

I don't even have a Plan A.

Ha ha! I'm with you.. or at least it changes by the week/month/whatever.

[soma]

And finally I agree with something Luke has said, "...some people do not rock." I'd go as far to say most people do not rock. Hell, I could be one of them! The problem is not enough people say it out loud, and again I'm one of them. I have a mate though who doesn't give a shit. I've seen him march straight up to bands after their set and tell them they were shit. If more people did this maybe it would eventually sink in, thus making it easier for the people who DO rock to get noticed. Just a thought....
SIMPLE PLAN SUCK. BALLS. ALL DAY. EVERY DAY.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by soma

And finally I agree with something Luke has said, "...some people do not rock." I'd go as far to say most people do not rock. Hell, I could be one of them! The problem is not enough people say it out loud, and again I'm one of them. I have a mate though who doesn't give a shit. I've seen him march straight up to bands after their set and tell them they were shit. If more people did this maybe it would eventually sink in, thus making it easier for the people who DO rock to get noticed. Just a thought....
SIMPLE PLAN SUCK. BALLS. ALL DAY. EVERY DAY.

my band played a gig once and luckily the irish punter who no doubt ahd had about 8 pints o' liffy water enjoyed us and told us so, to a member of the previous band he said "but you guys were shite, you were fooken shite"

glad I wasn't on the end of that one.

[talitha]

Originally Posted by Risky

OK the reason we have a plan B is because, if indeed I were to have a 110% crack at plan A what happens if it doesn't work out?

The point of not having a plan B is because you back yourself 100% and KNOW that your plan A is going to work.

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by soma

Gee, I wonder what the SP in SPGIRL stands for?

Short Play? Man I'm crap at these guessing games ....

[soma]

Originally Posted by talitha

The point of not having a plan B is because you back yourself 100% and KNOW that your plan A is going to work.

I think it depends on the situation. If we're talking becoming a rock star (and I think we are) then knowing how good you are means shit. Just look at some of the crap that labels sign up, and then at bands you've seen and thought were the best thing ever but they never went anywhere. It's all about who you know, when you know them, who they know, who sees you play, who they tell. There's about 34 billion variables that all need to align for that moment when you hear "How would you boys like to sign this contract". Without plan B that contract gets signed by 3, 4 or 5 severly malnourished dudes and/or dudettes.

Until you're playing big shows and festivals etc. everything you make from playing goes straight back in, or on merch, recording etc.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by talitha

The point of not having a plan B is because you back yourself 100% and KNOW that your plan A is going to work.

if your plan A is say to become a rockstar then chances are, its not gonna happen, you also have to consider that your probably going to not be a rock star.

For example Talitha, if you want to be a rock photographer which you may well be I say good luck, I genuinely wish you the best of luck but there are how many other people that also want to do the same thing? Maybe you'll end up being the best there ever was, maybe you wont, if you get to 40 before you realise you can't do it then what? find a job in retail? not for me.

I work with a guy who released an album was signed to sony, he got shelved, now what? he's in his mid thirties working admin and studying to further his career...thats gonna be another 2 or three years, then he has to work out how much of a loan he can get ot buy a house or something which isn't easy if you want to love in sydney for example, because those fuckers are expensive.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by soma

Until you're playing big shows and festivals etc. everything you make from playing goes straight back in, or on merch, recording etc.

yeah shit yeah, it costs me $80.00 a fortnight just for our studio, we might play one a gig a month fo $300.00 bucks which goes into the kitty but we also spend at least $50.00 at the gig on grog. then by the time we buy some recroding equipemt like mics or something theres no more money in the kitty so we play more gigs then get CD's done up etc.

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by Risky

yeah shit yeah, it costs me $80.00 a fortnight just for our studio, we might play one a gig a month fo $300.00 bucks which goes into the kitty but we also spend at least $50.00 at the gig on grog. then by the time we buy some recroding equipemt like mics or something theres no more money in the kitty so we play more gigs then get CD's done up etc.

Which proves that bands are just like cars -- complete black holes for money.

The number of talented bands out there who will never ever turn a profit from playing is just huge. I find the fact that people don't let this get them down or dissuade them from having a go is truly remarkable -- and more kudos to them for making a go of it. You can be really talented and not get anywhere except into debt ... it's just the way the industry is.

On the other hand success seems to turn some into arrogant fuckers and that really shits me because they seem to have lost sight of just how privileged they are. In one sense I think they have a responsibility not just to their fans, but to all the other musicians out there who will *never* make it to the heights they have.

[Jamezwm]

Let's not forget what happened with The Vines - they are supposedly in the studio recording. After Craig snapped at the Annandale gig it all turned to shit for them, the bass player (or whoever it was) was leaving ads in Drum offering his musical duties to other acts.

My bass teacher ran into them at some recording studio and said they made a hell of a racket, focusing on being loud and "rock stars" rather than rehearsing of sharpening their playing ability.

Why were they signed by a massive label? Because someone saw genuine talent in them or because they played noisy 'flavour of the week' rock and were pretty-looking rock stars.

How many good live reviews have you read of them, or perhaps even witnessed yourself?

[talitha]

Originally Posted by Risky

if your plan A is say to become a rockstar then chances are, its not gonna happen, you also have to consider that your probably going to not be a rock star.

For example Talitha, if you want to be a rock photographer which you may well be I say good luck, I genuinely wish you the best of luck but there are how many other people that also want to do the same thing? Maybe you'll end up being the best there ever was, maybe you wont, if you get to 40 before you realise you can't do it then what? find a job in retail? not for me.

I work with a guy who released an album was signed to sony, he got shelved, now what? he's in his mid thirties working admin and studying to further his career...thats gonna be another 2 or three years, then he has to work out how much of a loan he can get ot buy a house or something which isn't easy if you want to love in sydney for example, because those fuckers are expensive.

Well, it depends what you want out of life. I interview one of the Spazzys at the start of the year, and asked her about this stuff. Chances are, they're never going to be a big band, even in Australia. But they have no intention of doing anything BUT play music. They have no other skills, and deliberately don't have them, and they realise what they have to do if they want to make a living off being a musician. You said you didn't want to live like that, which is understandable. But they don't have a plan B, so they HAVE to make plan A work. They don't care if they're renting all their lives, and tour relentlessly, they're just happy playing music. There's no other well-paying career waiting in the wings; they work in call centres and bars.

The Veronicas are the same, they're another band that never had any intention of a plan B. They didn't apply for Uni, just got jobs doing retail and worked at making music. They took any gig they could 'til they got their break. I bet they'd still be singing in nursing homes and working at General Pants had they not been signed yet.

As for me, I back myself in whatever I choose to do, at any time. I know I'm not a very good photographer, and that's just a hobby for me. I definitely do NOT want to work in the music industry. I LOVE music, but that's not what working in the industry is about, unfortunately.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by talitha

Well, it depends what you want out of life. I interview one of the Spazzys at the start of the year, and asked her about this stuff. Chances are, they're never going to be a big band, even in Australia. But they have no intention of doing anything BUT play music. They have no other skills, and deliberately don't have them, and they realise what they have to do if they want to make a living off being a musician. You said you didn't want to live like that, which is understandable. But they don't have a plan B, so they HAVE to make plan A work. They don't care if they're renting all their lives, and tour relentlessly, they're just happy playing music. There's no other well-paying career waiting in the wings; they work in call centres and bars..

But its not just their self belief that can make plan A work, as someone mentioned before there are so many things that have to align for it to work....what if they lose their other jobs all of a sudden?

The Veronicas are the same, they're another band that never had any intention of a plan B. They didn't apply for Uni, just got jobs doing retail and worked at making music. They took any gig they could 'til they got their break. I bet they'd still be singing in nursing homes and working at General Pants had they not been signed yet.

and what if the whole veronica thing dies down and everyone loses interest including their record company? what are these people going to do? Hopefully they will contnue to play music for the love of it but playing the hopetoun or The Sando on saturday nights and working at general pants does not a good income make.

As for me, I back myself in whatever I choose to do, at any time. I know I'm not a very good photographer, and that's just a hobby for me. I definitely do NOT want to work in the music industry. I LOVE music, but that's not what working in the industry is about, unfortunately.

Maybe you are a good photographer and just dont realise it...

[talitha]

Originally Posted by Risky

But its not just their self belief that can make plan A work, as someone mentioned before there are so many things that have to align for it to work....what if they lose their other jobs all of a sudden?

If they lose their other jobs...they get new ones? I think Ally said she works one shift a week? That's not really helping her survive.

and what if the whole veronica thing dies down and everyone loses interest including their record company? what are these people going to do? Hopefully they will contnue to play music for the love of it but playing the hopetoun or The Sando on saturday nights and working at general pants does not a good income make.

But I think that's the point, making a good income isn't their motivation. They're happy living on nothing and are doing it for the love of it. For example, with The Veronicas, they already live like starving artists when they're at home, so if the Veronica thing died down, it wouldn't be too much difference. One of them had no sheets on her bed for four months, I think. She had to wait 'til she came home to get some. Haha, she mustn't have a great income yet. Although I guess me using them as an example isn't fair, as they have acting etc as other avenues.

In all honesty, I ALWAYS wonder what people do when their music careers fall apart...I've never met someone that's been in that position. You just see people that go and get some work to help fund a record, and then they quit and go on tour again... But then again, the only ones I know/interview are in the prime of their career.

[soma]

There's a big difference between working to support your music ambitions and having a plan B or a career to fall back on. I see myself as working to support my music. I'm not after the whole career thing at this point but by the same token, I think I tend to take jobs that offer career progression etc. in the event that music doesn't become a full time thing. I think if it gets to the point where your plan B starts having an adverse effect on Plan A, then you need to re-evaluate where you're at....

[Risky]

Originally Posted by talitha

If they lose their other jobs...they get new ones? I think Ally said she works one shift a week? That's not really helping her survive.

well then what is helping her survive? Does she pay rent and buy food? someone must be doing it for her.

But I think that's the point, making a good income isn't their motivation. They're happy living on nothing and are doing it for the love of it. For example, with The Veronicas, they already live like starving artists when they're at home, so if the Veronica thing died down, it wouldn't be too much difference. One of them had no sheets on her bed for four months, I think. She had to wait 'til she came home to get some. Haha, she mustn't have a great income yet. Although I guess me using them as an example isn't fair, as they have acting etc as other avenues.

Came home from where? overseas?

I'm pretty sure their record company is looking after them pretty well at the moment but then what?
are they gonna share a single room flat for the rest of their lives? How are they going to pay rent buy food?

Stevie Wright from the easybeats didnt have a backup, now he lives in a Caravan in western Sydney. This is after he performed and help write some of the easybeats best songs.

Sure he had a great few years in the easybeats but I reckon he might have liked to have had something to go and do after instead of waiting for a long way to the top to come along.

[jxe520]

Originally Posted by Risky

I'm pretty sure their record company is looking after them pretty well at the moment but then what?

possibly they are being looked after well but this is more than likely being paid from money to be reclaimed from their record sales. Hence why the majority of bands see little, if any money, from their record companies as they don't make a cent until they've paid all the money they owe back to the company. Standard recording contracts are pretty scandalous bits of paper. It's how a band like Snow Patrol can go quadruple platinum in the UK (yes, i know there's no accounting for taste..) which i think is still a million albums these days, but still end up being in debt to their record company for a million quid (allegedly)

[Medea]

Originally Posted by Risky

well then what is helping her survive? Does she pay rent and buy food? someone must be doing it for her.

Came home from where? overseas?

I'm pretty sure their record company is looking after them pretty well at the moment but then what?
are they gonna share a single room flat for the rest of their lives? How are they going to pay rent buy food?

Do you think they'll stay single for the rest of their lives? I seriously doubt it. They will probably end up like most young rock girls.. end up quitting the industry when the success dries up and marrying some guy to raise a family.

Stevie Wright from the easybeats didnt have a backup, now he lives in a Caravan in western Sydney. This is after he performed and help write some of the easybeats best songs.

Sure he had a great few years in the easybeats but I reckon he might have liked to have had something to go and do after instead of waiting for a long way to the top to come along.

Easier said then done though. Stevie developed a serious drug and alcohol problem which developed while he was still in the Easybeats. Addiction doesnt help your career, made worse by a stint at the infamous Chelmsford Hospital which affected his physical and mental health.

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by talitha

If they lose their other jobs...they get new ones? I think Ally said she works one shift a week? That's not really helping her survive.

But I think that's the point, making a good income isn't their motivation. They're happy living on nothing and are doing it for the love of it.

It's one thing to live on next to nothing for one year ... or two years, but doing it year after year gets draining. I scammed the dole for a few years working full-time as a volunteer on a project that I just wanted to be involved in. But in the end, I wanted to make a living as well, so I had to give it up and move on ...

It's actually nice to be able to afford clothes or even food and not stress about money. And I imagine that's the choice that a lot of musos are forced to consider sooner or later.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by jxe520

possibly they are being looked after well but this is more than likely being paid from money to be reclaimed from their record sales. Hence why the majority of bands see little, if any money, from their record companies as they don't make a cent until they've paid all the money they owe back to the company. Standard recording contracts are pretty scandalous bits of paper. It's how a band like Snow Patrol can go quadruple platinum in the UK (yes, i know there's no accounting for taste..) which i think is still a million albums these days, but still end up being in debt to their record company for a million quid (allegedly)

thats exaclty my point, recod company looks after you for a while but then if you get dropped no income to pay back money equals yous very poor veronicas

[Risky]

Originally Posted by Medea

Do you think they'll stay single for the rest of their lives? I seriously doubt it. They will probably end up like most young rock girls.. end up quitting the industry when the success dries up and marrying some guy to raise a family.

I know, thats why I asked if they would share a room together, its probably irresonsible to rely on performing at the RSL to support your child.

Easier said then done though. Stevie developed a serious drug and alcohol problem which developed while he was still in the Easybeats. Addiction doesnt help your career, made worse by a stint at the infamous Chelmsford Hospital which affected his physical and mental health.

Addition doesnt help anyone, maybe he was so disillusioned by the fact he had ntohign to do and his star was taken away from him he furthe turned to drugs and alchol...who knows?

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by Risky

thats exaclty my point, recod company looks after you for a while but then if you get dropped no income to pay back money equals yous very poor veronicas

You'd think that people would know better after reading about how it happens to so many others. Do they simply reckon they can beat the system or is it a Faustian "buy now, pay later" attitude that makes them sign on the dotted line?

[jxe520]

Yeah, but it's not being looked after in an altruistic way, it's all being accounted for and they'll get the bill in the end. I would have thought that The Veronicas will be paying back the money for the TV and press advertising for their record until the end of time...

[Tax Invoice]

This thread looks familiar...

http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/sho...d.php?t=150270

[Medea]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes

You'd think that people would know better after reading about how it happens to so many others. Do they simply reckon they can beat the system or is it a Faustian "buy now, pay later" attitude that makes them sign on the dotted line?

I don't think it's as simple as that. When you don't have many skills to begin with and you dont have an established career to start with, if you're offered a contract with a major record label, would you turn it down? Recording contracts dont come by that easily, not with a major label at least. If you're working as a toilet cleaner or a checkout at a supermarket, I would be willing to bet most people in those positions if offered a contract with EMI/Sony/Warners etc would take it, even if they didn't have "talent".

[Trakka]

Everyone should have something that they love and believe in and want to work towards. Naming things Plan A and Plan B only happens to people who set themselves goals and timeframes, the rest of us do what we have to. What Risky said is right, there is going to come a time when everyone has to make a choice, and that time is different for everyone. Living a hand to mouth life has a finite length of time it'll be sustainable. For me, I decided years ago that I'm not going to want for anything in my retirement, so working my boring job is a means to an end. The Spazzy's may well discover in 10 or 20 or 50 years time they're tired of a life of financial insecurity.

[spgirl]

Originally Posted by soma

Gee, I wonder what the SP in SPGIRL stands for?

It stands for semi-precious actually if you bothered to check out my profile you would know that - and u know your opinion of my music taste might appeal to someone but u know whatever helps you sleep.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by jxe520

Yeah, but it's not being looked after in an altruistic way, it's all being accounted for and they'll get the bill in the end. I would have thought that The Veronicas will be paying back the money for the TV and press advertising for their record until the end of time...

I understand that, also depending on the contract the guy I work currentl owes the recod label $400K appx, but not personally, he is sent statements every six months just as a nice reminder that he ended up that much in the whole, but I repeat DOES NOT have tio repay that money, but like I siad before is now starting to learn and go for a career with higher chance of some sort of prosperity and length.

[Risky]

Originally Posted by Medea

I don't think it's as simple as that. When you don't have many skills to begin with and you dont have an established career to start with, if you're offered a contract with a major record label, would you turn it down?

yes! why? because me no stupid, the numbers given on the doco Dig! says that 9/10 bands on a major fail and lose money.

Recording contracts dont come by that easily, not with a major label at least. If you're working as a toilet cleaner or a checkout at a supermarket, I would be willing to bet most people in those positions if offered a contract with EMI/Sony/Warners etc would take it, even if they didn't have "talent".

You'ev got to take something to the table though I think when dealing with contracts. Contract or no word of mouth is a bands best friend.

[humpanna]

pfft.. plans are over rated. I'm young, but all they've given me is wasted years of false hope culminating in a cold hard slap from reality.. plans rarely follow the design you map out.. even if you are realistic about your aspirations. There's always some weird looking coat hanger or bearded lady that'll turn up out of no where and change everything. in short, plans suck. live like a gypsy.

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by humpanna

pfft.. plans are over rated. I'm young, but all they've given me is wasted years of false hope culminating in a cold hard slap from reality.. plans rarely follow the design you map out.. even if you are realistic about your aspirations. There's always some weird looking coat hanger or bearded lady that'll turn up out of no where and change everything. in short, plans suck. live like a gypsy.

I both agree and disagree. First of all, consider that no-one but a crazy person would start a business without mapping a business plan first. You're setting yourself up for failure if you don't.

But locking yourself into a plan completely is just as crazy. You need to allow yourself wiggle room to take advantage of serendipitous events or to cope with Murphy's Law.

Have a plan, or at least a goal, but never blind yourself to opportunity because that can take you some very cool places.

[Darn]

Originally Posted by Jordy1982

all our lives it seems we're told to have a back up. a just in case. a reserve. all that means is that you end up juggling two lives. and eventually one of them has got to give. and by that stage what you really wanted to do has been made too frightening for you to even contemplate yet alone pursue. it's like juggling chainsaws and someone throws you a teddy bear. the whole thing gets you off guard and instinctively you grab for the soft plush bear hurtling towards your head. and sure you might get it, but those chainsaws are mighty unforgiving and they'll come back down on you and pretty soon you've got no arms.

ok so maybe that analogy isn't 100% right but you get my drift. plan b's are evil. they're designed to steal your spirit. i say shred, burn and smoke the ashes of plan b and get back to living a life that is all about plan A. i don't care what plan A is... if it's to be an accountant then be the best accountant you can be, get possessed by balance sheets, and profit and loss statements and other things accounty. be so good and passionate about what you do that they have to name processes after you, systems after you, that accountants all over the world erect statues of you. that you get groupies, after all why should rock stars get all the groupies?

and i know all of us have wanted to be a rock star. so why not? why not pick up that dusty guitar, take the sheet off the drum kit, unclasp that accordion and get back doing what you once loved? get in touch with your inner rock god. and play. Why can’t I be a rock star? Why can’t we all be rock stars.
Carl. thezeromovement.com

that reeks of a Reality TV idea type thingy
take 10 aussie idol dropouts...sorry take the 10 worst aussie idols dropout and pitch them together in the quest to make a rock god out of the worst singer/dancer/looker
it will be a marketing makeover!!!
maybe they can throw in some plastic surgery

[humpanna]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes

Have a plan, or at least a goal, but never blind yourself to opportunity because that can take you some very cool places.

thats what i meant to say. ...at some point.. I think i just got carried away with how horrible it is when you fail.

mm.. i could go for some cheese right now.

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by humpanna

thats what i meant to say. ...at some point.. I think i just got carried away with how horrible it is when you fail.

Everything is ephemeral, it's the trying that counts. That's the attitude I try to have anyway.

Originally Posted by humpanna

mm.. i could go for some cheese right now.

Softens the blow of failure?

[jxe520]

Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiam.
Winston Churchill

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
Winston Churchill

[Kade]

Originally Posted by soma

Gee, I wonder what the SP in SPGIRL stands for?

Ideally there would be no need for plan B but unfortunately we don't live in fairy land. And being in a band isn't all about rock, booze, and chicks. It takes a fair amount of outlay from the band members to get anywhere and to be able to do that, you need your plan B behind you as a sort of financial crutch. EVERYTHING costs money in music , from rehearsal space to getting to shows, and sadly the dole doesn't usually cut it funds wise. The reality is if you want to be a rock star, you have to be able to afford to get there.

i agree with this to some extent, although it doesnt require much money to play music if you are ok with living very modestly, when you say rock star im guessing you mean someone really popular not just someone playing music full-time?

[Demosthenes]

Originally Posted by jxe520

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

Unless you get shot in the head ...

[jxe520]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes

Unless you get shot in the head ...

didn't tony wilson say something like ian curtis killing himself was the best career move he ever made?

[Kade]

Originally Posted by jxe520

didn't tony wilson say something like ian curtis killing himself was the best career move he ever made?

ahahah very nice

[spindoctor]

"I wanna be like David Lee Roth with 40 girls just to suck me off" The Cosmic Psychos, David Lee Roth

Couldn't work out whether this should go in this thread or favourite lyrics!