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Haters gonna hate: A guide tohating triple j

The simplest way to develop your hatred of triple j is to slowly move out of the station’s target demographic – some cultures refer to this process as “aging” – but to help you hate on triple j more effectively here’s FL’s foolproof guide to (irrationally) hating on triple j. And it’s just in time for Ausmusic Month and the hateful J Awards.

The best thing about triple j is that it’s incredibly easy to hate. It’s a strange hybrid of beast that can be redefined in so many different and gloriously hateable ways. triple j is too commercial. triple j has lost touch with its target demographic – “the kids” – by not being commercial enough. triple j plays too much hip-hop. triple j plays too much indie landfill. triple j won’t play your band if musical director Richard Kingsmill doesn’t like it. triple j has fallen from the glory days of the ’90s. triple j insists on lowercase.

We’ve already shown you a foolproof way to hate on that other hate-able entity – festival lineups – so now we move onto the next logical target for irrational hate mongering: our national youth broadcaster.

“Richard Kingsmill is an evil dictator”

There are many conspiracy theories about triple j but only one fact – Richard Kingsmill, Kim Jong Un and Bashar Hafez al-Assad regularly call each other to discuss the latest in cargo pants fashion and the new San Cisco tunes. (al-Assad reportedly has a crush on the drummer.)

Everyone knows that Richard Kingsmill calls all the shots at triple j from an ivory tower that is literally made from ivory. His office is at the end of a long dark corridor and making an appointment with him is about as easy as getting a table at The Fat Duck i.e. it’s actually really, really hard. If you’re lucky enough to land an appointment with “The King”, you have to observe these three rules: Don’t make eye contact; place your CD-R and one-sheet in a large green tub with wheels on it; and don’t under any circumstances mention The Basics unless it’s in the context of a conversation you didn’t initiate about Gotye.

Not many people know this but Richard Kingsmill selects every song played on triple j. Yes, even the unsigned grindcore you hear during graveyard shifts. He’s also responsible for The Beards.

“Richard Kingsmill is too bloody old”

Kingsmill started at triple j in 1988, which means that he’s been an authority on teenage pop, rock and slop for longer than most of his current listeners have been alive. But experience counts for nothing in a cut-throat world populated by upstarts likes Lewis McKirdy and Sam Simmons. Kingsmill is now 48 and anyone that old is no longer musically relevant, just like James Hetfield (49), Wayne Coyne (51), Tom Waits (62), and Neil Young (67). The coming years are likely to be nightmarish for the music business with Dave Grohl (43) and Trent Reznor (47) both edging closer to the abyss of relevance. In four years Mike Patton, Thom Yorke, and Damon Albarn will all turn 48 and music as we know it will cease to exist.

“Bring back Francis Leach, Tunny and Helen Razor”

You know what triple j really needs? It needs to re-employ all the old hosts. Sure you could listen to ex-triple j presenters over on Radio National where they’ll tell you all about neo-baroque architecture and the proposal to reduce commercial fishing quotas in the northern Murray River catchment area, but wouldn’t it be better if they did that back where they belong – back on triple j? Unlike Richard Kingsmill, ex-triple j presenters never age.

“triple j doesn’t play enough Australian music”

Look at your album collection – it’s 100 percent homegrown, right? Why would you listen to music from anywhere else when there’s so much good stuff produced right here? Our hard-working musicians might even be able to afford fancy truck-stop dim-sims if triple j would just ignore the rest of the world. Why listen to The Black Keys when you can listen to The Rubens? Who needs Florence + The Machine when you have Sarah Blasko? James Blake is just a pale beardless imitation of Chet Faker. Loon Lake write better songs than The Strokes. Hungry Kids of Hungary eat Vampire Weekend for breakfast. And so on.

Oh, what’s that? triple j plays over 40 percent local content when they only need to play 25. Not bloody good enough: They should play nothing but local content, except for that skip-hop rubbish. That’s crap.

As for November’s Ausmusic Month, everyone knows that’s just to fill the local content quotas they already exceed by 15 percent. Either way, Ausmusic Month is tokenistic and should be replaced by something that properly recognises our great local scene like Ausmusic Year or Ausmusic Millennium.

“Why don’t they play Carnivorous Greeks, Amylplex Three or alt-folk genius Polly Dawinton?”

Your favourite band would be everyone’s favourite band if triple j was doing its job properly. They probably don’t even have a cassette deck in the triple j office, which is a shame because that’s the only format relevant music is being released on in 1984 2012. Sure, your Sunn O)))) records sound great at home on 180-gram vinyl, but there’s nothing quite like hearing it booming out of your office radio compressed to bits. That way you can assert your musical superiority when your colleagues yell out from behind their cubicle, “What the fuck is this!?” The flipside is that when triple j starts playing your favourite band that’s the moment you start hating them.

“Arrgh… triple j is nothing but dubstep, skip-hop and indie banjos”

Remember when you swore to yourself that you’d never get old and complain about the music the younger generation listens too? Remember how you thought you’d be cool forever. Sadly for you the world of musical innovation peaked at the exact moment you made that promise (1998) and it’s been a struggle to remain true to your oath ever since. If you could have predicted how bad music on triple j would get once you turned 25 you never would have made that promise.

“triple j was so much better in the ’90s before I had a mortgage”

You only need to look at the quality of the entries on the inaugural Hottest 100 countdown in 1993 to see how far triple j has fallen from its glory days. In ’93 the likes of Chaka Demus & Pliers, East 17, Ace Of Base, Apache Indian’s ‘Boom Shack-A-Lak’, Culture Beat’s ‘Mr Vain’ and Dennis Leary’s ‘Asshole’ – unarguably the finest piece of music released that year – all made it onto the countdown. Now compare that to the rubbish that triple j serves up now. Downhill my friends, downhill.

“Oi soff coks! Where’s the fkn metal?!”

There is never enough metal. NEVER. \m/

“triple j plays too much Aussie rap crap”

How crap is it when you hear your own voice played back to you? Aussie hip-hop is like that except with the added bonus of old soul samples played at warp speed and lyrics about dim-sims and fish and chips. The lyrics are cringe-y and uncomfortable, especially when they deal with things that don’t exist in this country like racism and poverty. triple j has a three-hour show at 10pm on a Monday dedicated to this niche genre. Isn’t that enough for those backwards cap-wearing graffiti vandals?

“triple j used to make the world a happier place”

As Robin Williams taught us in Patch Adams laughter is the best medicine. It’s a message that triple j takes very seriously delivering a life saving dose of novelty songs on their playlist every year. Without triple j we’d never have split our sides as we considered having sex with bearded men, joining the bovine revolution, chowing down on chocolate salty balls or detaching our penises. Without novelty songs the world is a sad colourless place – imagine Dr Karl’s favourite day-glo shirt, now drain all the colours from it. That’s how
sad a world without novelty is.

“My tax dollars are being wasted on this?!”

To fund the “yoof” radio station the government traces your credit card to find out if you’ve spent any money on music in the past 12 months. If you’ve been to a gig – any gig, from a Foo Fighters stadium show to an open mic night that your cousin was singing at – then the government takes all your tax and funnels it directly into triple j. The station then uses this cash to push its sinister agenda of flooding the Australian music industry with inferior music produced by the sons and daughters of tax agents. When you look at your next paycheck focus on the tax and feed your triple j rage fire.

“All those unearthed bands should stay buried”

triple j has a monopoly on new music. The internet – phhft! Community radio – double phhft. triple j is the only way for anyone to hear new bands, but the sad reality of the situation is that triple j only plays new Australian bands so that they can manipulate what teenagers listen to and embed secret hidden messages in the songs. When you play any unearthed band backwards you can clearly hear the mantra “Bow down to the altar of the supreme being Richard Kingsmill and his minions of musical doom.” There was a time back before “The Great Change” when triple j did unearth great bands – unlike that junk they serve up today. That era peaked back in the ‘90s when they discovered The Tenants.

Related: Haters gonna hate: A guide to hating festival lineups

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MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Let's not entirely discredit nostalgia acts, either. One of the best shows I went to last year was the Beach Boys.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 5th Feb, 2013

I don't even know why we're responding to "stop making music at 30"-girl, it's such obvious and complete BS.

It's okay though, because it turns out there's absolutely no definition of "relevant" that means anything to anyone but yourself. So if she wants to stop listening to anyone over 30, that's her loss.

wellhamsrus

wellhamsrus said on the 5th Feb, 2013

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your move, dumbfuck.

your shit taste.

Stefan Beck

Stefan Beck said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Well I guess we finally have proof that Nos has a daughter.

wellhamsrus

wellhamsrus said on the 5th Feb, 2013

i call bullshit.

if the dirty three, the bad seeds or ed kuepper had quit making music after they'd (respectively) turned 30, we'd be far, far poorer for it. ...

sorry, but i beg to differ. mr ed, for example, is simply rerecording his glory days now, as live albums. and for god's sake, billy joel wasn't any good even when he was young. "it's still rock and roll to me?" it's still crap to me, but you guys keep calling each new album from one of these dinosaurs 'a real return to form after the last disappointing album'. they were good once. that should be enough.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Billy Joel? Your big example is Billy Joel? You're done.

monokhrome_nite

monokhrome_nite said on the 5th Feb, 2013

If wellhamsrus had his/her way, Leonard Cohen would have never made a single record.

loudQUIETloud

loudQUIETloud said on the 5th Feb, 2013

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxsim4rKzh1qmutyeo1_500.jpg

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Wait... Is this mango still ripping on my boy, Waits?

I'm sure he'll visit her at night and make a voodoo hat from her bones.

wellhamsrus

wellhamsrus said on the 5th Feb, 2013



i did say 'most', not 'all'. i'd make an exception for leonard, if not for most of the artists you guys mention. and i am talking about the new albums they produce, not the live shows. if you guys saw neil young at bdo, what you heard was the hits with the drunken audience singling and clapping along. that's nostalgia, not music. ditto for the other old artists you mention.

for your guys benefit, from what i remember you listing as indications of old artists still being relevant:

still good: leonard cohen, johnny cash (when young and when old, not in the middle)

once good (albums produced before they turned 30): ed kuepper, nick cave (his slow songs, not his attempts to rock), tom waits, bruce springsteen, elton john, beach boys

never good: dirty three, billy joel

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 5th Feb, 2013

Can we stop calling this dipshit a girl? That's not them in their avatar. It's Boxxy. That should be proof enough that we're just dealing with some post-hipster troll.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 5th Feb, 2013

i had a big thing about how silly you are but I think I'll let Tom sum it up.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mal2t9CP1A1qj4b9to1_500.gif

Demosthenes

Demosthenes said on the 5th Feb, 2013

I don't even know why we're responding to "stop making music at 30"-girl, it's such obvious and complete BS.

It's okay though, because it turns out there's absolutely no definition of "relevant" that means anything to anyone but yourself. So if she wants to stop listening to anyone over 30, that's her loss.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

I'm done. Though, I reckon MAB is right: some nostalgia acts work; some don't (they're just dead inside).

wellhamsrus

wellhamsrus said on the 14th Feb, 2013



well, golly. i advance a proposition, put forward an argument, and you guys can only respond with name-calling and abuse. i think i know who the trolls are here, by the number of their posts.

time, and recorded output with diminishing returns, has already proven me right.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 14th Feb, 2013

Yes, everything you say is fact and we should all adhere to your bullshit post-haste.

Oflick

Oflick said on the 14th Feb, 2013

http://www.anomalousmaterial.com/movies/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/troll_2_05.jpg

andy_chalmers_102

andy_chalmers_102 said on the 14th Feb, 2013



Sorry, I didn't realise songs have an expiry date after which they are no longer considered music.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 14th Feb, 2013



Actually, trolls don't generally have high post numbers, because they don't engage in conversation. They post ridiculous statements, assume that they're fact, and then whinge when people point out the ridiculousness.



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monokhrome_nite

monokhrome_nite said on the 15th Feb, 2013



Is that really what a troll is? That just sounds like a silly person.

Frogspasm

Frogspasm said on the 16th Feb, 2013

even when i was younger i thought jjj was crap and always played the most boring music from artists with no discernible talent. double j was progressive jjj never was. nothing to do with age just banality. i don't just like old stuff i listen to mainly contemporary artists like kobra and the lotus, epica, birthday massacre, the agonist, in this moment, krypteria, unsun etc all stuff jjj would not touch with a stick. anyway broadcasting is becoming a dinosaur, who wants to have someone who doesn't know their arse from their elbow dictating music when you can have spotify?

Oflick

Oflick said on the 16th Feb, 2013

I can imagine a few of those bands getting a bit of airplay on the Racket (I've only heard of a few of those, but I assume they're all roughly the same genre), but yeah if those are your favourite contemporary bands Triple J obviously isn't going to appeal to you.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 16th Feb, 2013



Wow man, I'm bleeding EVERYWHERE. You're too cutting edge!

ROYALwithCHEESE

ROYALwithCHEESE said on the 17th Feb, 2013

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gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 18th Feb, 2013



Given that list of bands, I'd rather have them programming JJJ than you.

Jam63

Jam63 said on the 3rd Mar, 2013

stop bitching. i am almost 50 years old. i appreciate all the great music today including aussie hip hop. my preferred genre is punk. richard may be old by your standards but he still has a lot to offer. triple j may not be perfect but without it the australian music industry would be screwed. do not judge anyone by their age or it may come back to haunt you. when i was young all we had was molly meldrum. he was a fossil to us then but his contribution to the australian music scene cannot be denied even by the most radical element. worthwhile change takes time. if you can't wait feel free to start your own alternative and see if you don't cave in to the pressures of mainstream society. good luck.

ROYALwithCHEESE

ROYALwithCHEESE said on the 3rd Mar, 2013



So Kingsmill started and funds triple J?

Anyone can start a Station if they had government funding.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 3rd Mar, 2013



This article has its tongue firmly planted in its cheek.

skomocloud

skomocloud said on the 25th May, 2013

bloody hilarious piece that covered all the crap i've read from those whining, pathetic bores who continually turn up on the hottest 100 comments page. i don't know how many times i read someone repeatedly wibbling on about how horrid hip-hop is and the endless evils of richard kingsmill. maybe now with spotify etc people can create their own playlists and stop whinging about jjj. no, because haters are going to hate as the article says and some people are just pig ignorant and ... well, stupid. or they're trolls.

grattan

grattan said on the 15th Oct, 2013

http://s9.postimg.org/lol8xws3z/15_10_2013_1_32_43_PM.jpg

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 15th Oct, 2013

Triple J are clearly losing the 10-year old demographic.

I wish we knew what song it was. I presume it was one of dem songs with the hippen and the hoppen.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 15th Oct, 2013

Here's a link to the article that Mr Carr was referring to.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/outdated-aunty-needs-new-act/story-fnhulhjj-1226734338818#

It's mostly the usual anti-ABC drivel, with some truly bizarre uncredited stats.

nos235

nos235 said on the 15th Oct, 2013



I only just read this. What is your reasoning behind that statement?

Ebartells

Ebartells said on the 12th Jan, 2014

i get so sick of older people complaining about the state of music these days and how it was soooo much better whenever they were of age. f**k that shit, i am 35 - there was kick ass music when i was a teen in the 90s (and in all the decades preceding that), there was kick ass music in the 00s and there is kickass music now - in both australia and overseas. just because you are not into aussie hip hop doesn't mean it isn't amazing, it.just.means.you.don't.like.it. if you are into metal, cool - that doesn't mean all other music is shit, it's just not for you. ffs.

truthlies

truthlies said on the 14th Jan, 2014

I think most people who listen to radio enjoy connecting to a wider realm - even if its just the unconscious mind. I particularly enjoy triple J while driving it keeps me alert/awake sort of the same way as those trivia signs on the Bruce Highway.

Although, I usually have to change the station when i hear Aussie Hip Hop crap.

High Side Driver

High Side Driver said on the 15th Jan, 2014

yes, triple j has gone to the dogs. yes, their field of musical vision has narrowed alarmingly since the 90s. yes, they see themselves as the gods of everything the 'kids' want to listen to these days, and be damned with anything and everything else. yes, i've heard the lamest of lame excuses from them as to why they don't play a certain band or album. yes, they don't play the bands that i want to hear. so do you know what i did? instead of moaning about it on facebook etc, i started my own radio show. maybe some of the haters could think about doing that?

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 15th Jan, 2014



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gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 15th Jan, 2014



you thought you would moan about it here instead?



I see. All clear in terms of licensing, APRA, etc, I assume?

strachanj

strachanj said on the 15th Jan, 2014

if this has already been said, sorry. starting to irritate me that everyone played on triple j is "outta" somewhere...outta new york, outta tokyo, outta wagga wagga ! i know it must have been cool way back when that term was first coined but now it just sounds, well, old.... next.

still, the j has given me some great leads over the years, none of it australian hip hop though.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 15th Jan, 2014



Jesus fucking CHRIST, people. You're not going to catch the gay if you don't mention how much you hate Australian hip-hop.

Oflick

Oflick said on the 15th Jan, 2014

So mentioning you hate Australian hip hop is how you catch gay?

jacegalvin

jacegalvin said on the 15th Jan, 2014



What does being gay have to do with liking Oz hip hop?

back_to_you

back_to_you said on the 15th Jan, 2014

:O i think i'm GAY!!!!!!!!!!

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 15th Jan, 2014



If you don't tell people how much you hate Australian hip-hop, you'll catch the gay. Didn't they teach you ANYTHING in high school?

Oflick

Oflick said on the 15th Jan, 2014

Homosexuality is not discussed in Queensland.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 15th Jan, 2014

"Mate, if I find out any of you are gay, I'm not gonna shoot ya... but I'll give ya the fucken shotgun."

markrees

markrees said on the 15th Jan, 2014

wellhamsrus said on the 2nd feb, 2013
"0very amusing and quite true. just like kingsmill (48), james hetfield (49), wayne coyne (51), tom waits (62), and neil young (67) are no longer musically relevant. and the presenters on jjj talk too much."
: many of the jjj people are far too sure of themselves and like the sound of their own voices(just like those on commercial radio stations), much like some of the familiar fasterlouder folk that seem to appear in every forum topic.
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markrees

markrees said on the 15th Jan, 2014

hey braveheart81: when are you and your fastlouder buddies going to award me a fastlouder competition prize!!!

deanoss

deanoss said on the 16th Jan, 2014

Cherry Bar's James Young raised some interesting points on their bookface page this morning...


I am not Triple J’s target audience; I’m too old, although I’m considerably younger than its Program Manager Richard Kingsmill. I know a bit about music. I was the Program Manager of RRR for three years and a volunteer presenter for 14 years. I co-own two indie music labels, manage bands, book venues, own and run music festivals and own Cherry Bar, blah blah blah. I’m also a taxpayer, as well as a music lover and I feel entitled to an opinion on Triple J.

Triple J remains massively influential. As a local act, to get on major music festivals or score an international support or tour interstate and have people turn up, you must be played on the station. Without Triple J support most bands will struggle to survive, and this is exactly why it is imperative that Triple J supports all types of local talent.

In my opinion Triple J has crawled up its own arse favouring skip-hop music (sorry, I just threw up a bit in mouth) and internationals and has turned its back on Oz pub rock, the defining sound of Australia.

If ‘My Pal’ by God was released today, there’s no way Triple J would play it.

The station has fallen into the trap of chasing success and is competing with NOVA, etc. for ratings, at the expense of its core agenda, to support a diverse range of local artists.

I book over 1,100 different locals acts a year at Cherry Bar. Have done for over five years now. I am fucked if I know how you get Triple J to play a quality rock song from Melbourne.

“You wanna find quality music Richard Kingsmill and co.? Get out to gigs, every night of the week. That’s where you find the talent.”
My Dynamite, King Parrot, Airbourne, Bitter Sweet Kicks, King Of The North, Dead City Ruins, Sheriff, Archer, Palace Of The King, The Kashmere Club, My Left Boot, Matt Sonic & The High Times, A Gazillion Angry Mexicans, and The Harlots are all asking themselves the same question.

Don’t tell me they have Unearthed, ‘cos that digital arm is just an excuse they use to fob off little bands from their lighthouse station, the one that actually makes a difference.

I love The Black Keys, but they don’t need taxpayer funded radio support, neither does Alt-J.

The station say they’re “looking for quality music”, I say bull-fucking shit they are. They’re sitting in their air-conditioned office taking meeting with major label reps who are kissing their arse and taking them through their weekly release schedule over cafe lattes.

You wanna find quality music Richard Kingsmill and co.? Get out to gigs, every night of the week. That’s where you find the talent and the dedication that deserves to be rewarded, rather than major label ukulele playing hipsters from another country.

Sadly, the major labels here have become mere international artist distribution points with no agenda to foster local talent. Worse still, Triple J has become a commercially focused Major Label puppet, notwithstanding their irrelevant step-child, the Unearthed Digital off-shoot.

Stop being successful and start being accountable. It’s time for change. It’s time for Triple J to play much more local music from all genres.

But, if you’re not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. I have been inspired by your lack of respect and support of Oz pub rock. Thank you Triple J. Cherry Bar Radio is coming.

back_to_you

back_to_you said on the 16th Jan, 2014



i'm gay, i'm gay.........now give me my fucking gun!

will you load it for me?

:)

Jose Cuervo

Jose Cuervo said on the 16th Jan, 2014

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icedcoffee

icedcoffee said on the 16th Jan, 2014

triple j same as silverchair
start out rock/metal sound
make a name for themselves get rich and popular
sell out to pop music
suck ass

shazie

shazie said on the 16th Jan, 2014

triple j same as silverchair
start out rock/metal sound
make a name for themselves get rich and popular
sell out to pop music
suck ass

Such poetry

Nosyt

Nosyt said on the 16th Jan, 2014

Can't wait to see what this Commission of Audit says about the ABC and in extension Triple J

Cut cut cut or even Sell sell sell

I am no way for this btw

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 16th Jan, 2014

James Young from Cherry Bar seems to miss the point that Triple J's primary purpose is to provide a radio station that young people want to listen to.

The fact that bands that are played get career assistance is secondary to that.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 16th Jan, 2014

triple j same as silverchair
start out rock/metal sound
make a name for themselves get rich and popular
sell out to pop music
suck ass

so doge. Very music. Such presenter.

Oflick

Oflick said on the 16th Jan, 2014

I much prefer Iced Chocolate to Iced Coffee.

nos235

nos235 said on the 16th Jan, 2014

If it wasn't for the American's forcing GATT (or similar) on us we could still enforce local content numbers and ensure that Triple J only played Australian music, but alas we'd be in breach of the treaty if we did that now

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 16th Jan, 2014

Why should Triple J only play Australian music?

This might be a better idea if the goal was purely to promote Australian artists, but that isn't the goal.

nos235

nos235 said on the 16th Jan, 2014

Well that should be the goal- but anyway it can't be as mentioned, due to cultural imperialism

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 17th Jan, 2014



I'd argue the promotion of artists is the by-product of providing a music station for young Australians.

I think it would be far more open to abuse if their primary goal was to make Australian artists successful. There would be far more pressure from music labels and there would be more temptation for those deciding the playlists to push certain artists for their own personal gain.

It would also open another can of worms about using taxpayer money to promote for profit enterprises.

As a listener, why would I want a station that only plays Australian artists? My desire to listen to music isn't linked to only wanting to listen to artists from one country.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 17th Jan, 2014





got a source link? I'm surprised an international trade treaty would be so specific as to control what gets played on JJJ.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 17th Jan, 2014

I was under the understanding that local content numbers are still enforced?

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 17th Jan, 2014

I had a quick look but can't find anything about local content under the new FTA.

However, it's irrelevant, because I'm willing to bet JJJ has always been above the minimum local content requirement anyway. If they reduce the minimum, that doesn't affect JJJ at all.

And since it's an enforced local minimum, there's absolutely nothing stopping JJJ or any other station becoming an Australian-music only station, except for the lack of appeal that station would have with a mass audience.

nos235

nos235 said on the 17th Jan, 2014

The commercial stations have a financial imperative, so they can play what they want whenever they want - I don't think they should even have content quotas, but the publically funded JJJ is a different beast and has no such financial imperative. It doesn't have to play what commercial stations do to survive - it doesn't need to chase ratings at all.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 17th Jan, 2014



I disagree with that. Whilst it isn't there to generate revenue like a commercial station, the measure of its success in being the national youth radio station is still going to be primarily driven by how many people are listening.

I think quotas for commercial stations are still important because they are using a finite resource being the available radio broadcasting frequencies.

If we eventually move to a digital only radio situation where the number of available broadcasting licenses is essentially infinite then I have no issues removing the quotas.

nos235

nos235 said on the 17th Jan, 2014

Do you think the government cares how many people the other ABC divisions get , like ABC Classical?

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 17th Jan, 2014

triple j same as silverchair
start out rock/metal sound
make a name for themselves get rich and popular
sell out to pop music
suck ass

Ahh yes, remember when Double J played those amazing metal bands like Skyhooks and Wings?

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 17th Jan, 2014



Probably not. I would guess the funding for ABC Classic FM is commensurate with their listener base though. They would have a much smaller budget than Triple J for example.

markrees

markrees said on the 17th Jan, 2014

triple j same as silverchair
start out rock/metal sound
make a name for themselves get rich and popular
sell out to pop music
suck ass

Should those who are not members of the fasterlouder forum crew laugh or cringe at the responses to these forums.

In 2012 I attended a music festival, where some kid was raving how good the Bleeding Knees Club are and that I should see them; I attended the performance and thought to myself, these kids are the worst band I have ever watched or listened to.

Later at the same festival whilst in conversation with another person, I was informed of a type of "club" that operates within the Australian Music scene.

Bands like Silverchair, Jebediah and the Bleeding Knees Club do not just come from nowhere gaining immediate excessive airplay on our taxpayer funded radio statio JJJ.

These bands and many others are usually related to people within the Industry and are promoted and given airplay on JJJ simply due to this reason.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 17th Jan, 2014

Bands like Silverchair, Jebediah and the Bleeding Knees Club do not just come from nowhere gaining immediate excessive airplay on our taxpayer funded radio statio JJJ.

These bands and many others are usually related to people within the Industry and are promoted and given airplay on JJJ simply due to this reason.

Citation needed.

Silverchair gained popularity by winning an SBS local band competition.

nos235

nos235 said on the 17th Jan, 2014

Regarding the Quotas and Stacking -

In a statement released by ARIA CEO Dan Rosen, he even agrees on CRA’s call for a level playing field.

“ARIA stands by its view that local content quotas should continue to apply to commercial radio,” he said.

“Under the Australian Music Code of Practice quotas should also be extended to other forms of radio in the converged media environment.”

While CRA might have changed ARIA’s stance I believe the radio body has also left itself exposed.

For years many radio stations have reached their quota by stacking the 10pm to midnight slot with homegrown music. I’ve been personally guilty of this when I once hosted an all-Australian music show on a commercial Canberra FM station.

This ‘stacking’ avoids having to play less popular Australian content during the more listened to daytime hours and helps achieve more ‘listener friendly’ programming during prime advertising zones.

If ARIA insists on keeping the current quotas with no increase and instead move for a change in the compliance period to 6am – 6pm it would remove the ability to stack Australian music late at night.

If CRA agrees to no changes to the quotas but objects to changes in the compliance hours it would virtually be admitting that radio stations do manipulate those late night hours to artificially reach their required percentage of Australian content.

The quota exemption for digital radio stations will be re-examined by the ACMA next year.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 17th Jan, 2014

Jebediah won a university band comp that is still run Australia wide.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 17th Jan, 2014



Was this conversation with Vaguey McVague-Vague The Vaguest at the Music Festival?

Also, you caught us. It's the Babysitters' Club.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QD0z349Nhb4/T5sbIwroU-I/AAAAAAAABys/G2qOIASIPAY/s1600/Movie-Stills-the-babysitters-club-267617_400_300.jpg

markrees

markrees said on the 17th Jan, 2014



So, does every other band that wins the competition get flogged on JJJ?
No.

Does it help that one of the members of Jebediah had a parent employed by Sony Music?

markrees

markrees said on the 17th Jan, 2014

Citation needed.

Silverchair gained popularity by winning an SBS local band competition.

And who oragnised the SBS competition ????
Someone is the music industry?
..Perhaps someone related to one of the members of Silverchair?

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 17th Jan, 2014

So, does every other band that wins the competition get flogged on JJJ?
No.

Does it help that one of the members of Jebediah had a parent employed by Sony Music?

Looking at the list of bands who have won that competition, quite a few of them did get flogged on Triple J. I'd argue that the amount of airplay they received was fairly commensurate with their ongoing success?

I have no idea that a parent of one of the Jebediah members worked for Sony Music. If they did then I'm sure it helped them. Having contacts within the industry is of huge benefit. The same applies in any industry. Why would it not help them? Why would they not want that help?

I think Jebediah and Kevin Mitchell/Bob Evans very much stood the test of time. Success over a number of years and then later, Mitchell's success as a solo artist indicate that it wasn't an accident that they were a popular band.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 17th Jan, 2014

So, does every other band that wins the competition get flogged on JJJ?
No.

Does it help that one of the members of Jebediah had a parent employed by Sony Music?

And who oragnised the SBS competition ????
Someone is the music industry?
..Perhaps someone related to one of the members of Silverchair?

http://i.minus.com/i32QBSObB26Gk.gif

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 17th Jan, 2014

And who oragnised the SBS competition ????
Someone is the music industry?
..Perhaps someone related to one of the members of Silverchair?

Perhaps. It's your ridiculous conspiracy, you can have it be whatever you want.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 17th Jan, 2014

In my conspiracy Jebediah and Silverchair traveled around the country in vans solving mysteries with the power of alternative rock.

Oflick

Oflick said on the 17th Jan, 2014

markrees:

http://eraseunavezunaserie.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/not-amused-mulder1.gif

FL:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljcx2hWu6u1qf4elio1_400.gif

Triple J:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051209141360/x-files/images/0/0c/Cigarette_Smoking_Man_(1992).jpg

nos235

nos235 said on the 17th Jan, 2014

you couldn't get a smoking man animated gif?

pffft!

Oflick

Oflick said on the 17th Jan, 2014

To be honest, I was pretty disappointed myself.

dynamo

dynamo said on the 17th Jan, 2014



In 2012 I attended a music festival, where some kid was raving how good the Bleeding Knees Club are and that I should see them; I attended the performance and thought to myself, these kids are the worst band I have ever watched or listened to.



Have to agree with your comment on the Bleeding Knees Club. Saw them open for Die! Die! Die! back in 2011 and yup they were terrible, not impressed, but still won't say their the worst I've see tough

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 18th Jan, 2014

Bleeding Knees Club fucking rule.

back_to_you

back_to_you said on the 18th Jan, 2014

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xvYSEh_LsIo/TbJOrZCklZI/AAAAAAAABO8/cUXPnEfCGa0/s1600/i-want-to-believe.jpg

nos235

nos235 said on the 18th Jan, 2014



I don't think I want to know what goes on at this club of yours

Billablog

Billablog said on the 20th Jan, 2014

i find it very interesting that one of the accusations included here is that triple j has fallen from the glory days of the 90s because i'm old enough to remember the 90s and the accusation back then was that the station had 'blanded out' after going national and the glory days of the 80s were behind them.

and sure, the js don't float my boat the way they used to but given that i'm not the wrong side of 40, that's probably as it ought to be.
if there's one thing sadder than baby-boomer nostalgia, it's gen-x nostalgia that's oblivious to the irony that we have now become our parents, complaining that music was better in our day and these stupid kids just don't get it.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 20th Jan, 2014

If I could Like that post more than once, I would.

Max Urbanus

Max Urbanus said on the 20th Jan, 2014

the audience prefers soft-rock from the 90's (oasis, cranberries, foo fighters, green day, etc).
the station djs prefer indie-pop, oz hip hop and other random stuff.
thats the route source of the conflict.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 20th Jan, 2014

the audience prefers soft-rock from the 90's (oasis, cranberries, foo fighters, green day, etc).
the station djs prefer indie-pop, oz hip hop and other random stuff.
thats the route source of the conflict.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/stop.gif.pagespeed.ce.t23i6Llnpe.gif

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 20th Jan, 2014

the audience prefers soft-rock from the 90's (oasis, cranberries, foo fighters, green day, etc).
the station djs prefer indie-pop, oz hip hop and other random stuff.
thats the route source of the conflict.

except if that were really the source of the conflict, said audience could just go listen to MMM.

Truth is, there isn't really that much of a conflict - there's just a bunch of old people whining about JJJ, and JJJ not really caring about said whining.

berlinchair101

berlinchair101 said on the 20th Jan, 2014

We should all just pour a big glass of delicious milk and listen to FBi. They play the best music and best looking presenters.

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 20th Jan, 2014

not all of us can pick it up on a radio, you sonofabitch.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 20th Jan, 2014



If only there was some other way of listening to it...

gumbuoy

gumbuoy said on the 20th Jan, 2014

If only my phone had unlimited 3G data, or I could listen to streaming services at work or in my car.

MorningAfterboy

MorningAfterboy said on the 20th Jan, 2014

Holy white struggle, Batman!

Lukesteele

Lukesteele said on the 20th Jan, 2014

forget the hate, just listen to pentultima. enjoy! :) http://www.reverbnation.com/pentultima

Demosthenes

Demosthenes said on the 20th Jan, 2014



Is that what the milk is for?

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