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Haters gonna hate: A guide tohating festival lineups

With festival announcements coming thick and fast, we’ve put together the ultimate all-purpose guide to hating on perfectly good festival bills.

All festival lineups suck; it’s the truth and you know it.

It might sound extreme but if you judge lineups based on the reactions they receive when they’re announced it must be true. Every time a lineup drops (or is slowly dripfed) the “fans” fight each other to be the first to chip in with the most cutting, least grammatically correct dismissal of the festival.

Genuine excitement has no place in the world of festival lineups but everyone needs to know just how much you hate the festival so here’s a foolproof guide to hating on festival lineups.

“I knew the rumours were too good to be true”

It’s vitally important for a committed festival lineup hater to prepare for the day of the announcement by setting themselves up for the inevitable disappointment. Make a list of every band you love. Focus intently on the list and convince yourself that all of those bands will be on the lineup. Believe every rumour; hell make up a few rumours of your own! These simple steps will help to ensure that your expectations are correctly tuned to the level of ‘completely unrealistic’ and that you’re primed for hate.

“I knew this would be crap”

The first and most important rule of lineup hating is that all festival lineups suck. There has never been an exception to this sacrosanct rule, there never will be and a true hater will not waver from this point under any circumstances. Ever. All bona fide festival lineup haters know bands should only ever be seen live in the pristine controlled environment that is The Headline Sideshow.

“I hate this festival lineup more than the lineup I hated last year”

Even though all festivals suck, they suck more now than they used to. Back in the good old days when you went so far as to tolerate festival lineups things were slightly better and you have the faded t-shirt featuring bands from the ‘90s no one’s heard of to prove it.

“Not as good as this festival I once went to in Eastern Europe”

Remember: As a lineup hater you are not bound by geography or economics. So one of your best weapons of hate is the illogical comparison to other festivals. Ignore any concerns about transport, ticket cost, or the number of days the festival actually runs for and flame away. This rule lets you compare every festival on equal terms. So a three-day event in New York curated by your favourite band and featuring an exclusive headline set from band that has reformed for the occasion is every bit the equal of a new festival held at a racecourse carpark in Australia.

“It’s just sell-out, mainstream rubbish for the masses!”

Think about it – if a band is commercially popular enough to headline a festival then they’re obviously far too commercial for your tastes. A headlining band will probably have songs that that bloke who bullied you in high school can sing along to and therefore you hate them.

Sometimes you might be tempted to waver on this rule as nostalgia rises and you remember how much you loved the headliner’s first album, but this is a sign of weakness. It’s important to remember that a band’s quality can be judged based entirely on the behaviour of its worst fan. (You may recognise this as the classic “Hitler was a vegan/painter/Christian argument”).

“Who are these bands anyway?”

How old are the bands? If the average age of the musicians on the bill is under 25 then you’re looking at a flash-in-the-pan list of overhyped one-hit wonders and triple j favourites. If it’s nearer to 30 then you can hate on the mid-career acts simply plodding along for the money. If it’s over 35, the bands are all washed up. If it’s over 40 then the lineup is fossilised and the festival is probably being held at a winery.

“Typical boring predictable”

The United Nations’ Festival Booking Charter prescribes that all lineups must represent the wealth of global music and not simply be a list of semi-popular bands from North America and The UK. Does the festival bill you hate include any minorities? Where’s the recognition of the great things going on in the Norwegian punk scene? Where are the tribal nomads with their startling new approach to rhythm? (Caution: this rule may not work when hating on the Womad lineup.)

“I could see half this lineup any weekend at my local”

Seriously why the hell would a festival bother booking any local bands? No one goes to see a local band at a festival when they can just as easily not go to see them when they play every week for a fiver at the local pub. If a lineup has too many (read: any) local bands on the lineup it’s a clear sign that the promoters are just trying to fill the bill with cheap fodder and that they’re just in it for the money.

“Way to support the local scene…”

Then again if a festival doesn’t put on many local bands the promoter is clearly a unpatriotic traitor with no love for Aussie music. A promoter who doesn’t book local bands is totally out of touch with what’s going on in ‘the scene’. This rule is also known as the “Why Isn’t My Band Playing?”

“Pity they didn’t come when they were decent”

If they were any bloody good they’d have toured by now, the only reason they’re finally coming is that they’ve milked the rest of the world dry and now us Aussie suckers are expected to be grateful to lap up the dregs. And besides they haven’t done anything decent is ages and they probably won’t play any of their decent stuff anyway.

“Recycled rubbish!”

Obviously you’d never go and do the same thing twice in a 12-month period. There are 8760 hours in a year and the thought you’d devote any more time than absolutely necessary to any one act is quite simply ridiculous. Your time can be used far more productively trolling festival lineups online.

“That’s not music! Where are the instruments?”

Attacking dance music is a classic trope of the lineup hating lexicon. You should really know the drill by now or you don’t deserve the title of “hater”. If this is somehow new to you just remember the simple chant: “Anyone can just press a button. DJs aren’t real musicians.” Repeat the chant with the same monotonous regularity of a computers preset bassline.

“What is this? Pitchfork fest?”

Hipster hating has become so trendy that that it’s practically the hippest thing you can possibly do. But don’t let that distract you from boarding the hate train. Bloody hipster bullshit is ruining everything and you’re on a saintly mission to warn the world about the danger – you just need to finish your Beatbox Kitchen burger first.

“Oi Soff coks! Where’s the fkn metal?!”

There is never enough metal. NEVER. \m/

Bonus tips: If the lineup is half decent

A festival lineup will never be good but on certain rare occasions it may be undeniably decent. This can be a tricky situation for the hater and you may be tempted to embrace the festival and stop complaining. Don’t do this it’s a sign of weakness and haters are never weak. When the lineup is decent you need to focus and find the weak link. Are all the bands touring with their classic lineups? Have their most recent releases really been all that good? And who is that opening act anyway? They probably suck.

If you’ve applied all the rules of hate and by some miracle the lineup holds up then it’s time to move onto stage two and reframe the issue. Start stressing out about the clashes between bands and the inevitable lack of sideshows. Delcare that the festival is far too expensive (it will always be too expensive.). And point out that the festival is probably a fire trap.

All lineups should be made up entirely of bands that everyone loves, that have never toured here and play setlists determined by you and you alone. It’s your right as a punter to expect it. A hater knows that a festival should be a special and have never happened anywhere else in the world. Otherwise what’s the point, it’s just a watered down version of something better that’s already happened somewhere else. To a hater a good festival lineup is a mythical beast and even if such a thing did exist it would be attended by other people: the one thing a lineup hater hates more than a lineup is the people who might like the lineup.

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Oflick said on the 7th Aug, 2012

This article isn't as good as one I read in Europe last year.


Stugalug said on the 7th Aug, 2012

Oi Soff coks! Where’s the fkn Comic Sans?!


benjiman1981 said on the 8th Aug, 2012

Fasterlouder has become the women's gossip magazine of music websites.


berlinchair101 said on the 8th Aug, 2012

No, that's still Tone Deaf.


katiecunningham said on the 8th Aug, 2012

could this be grattan's finest hour?


hellboy1975 said on the 8th Aug, 2012

I preferred Fasterlouder when they didn't post about washed up metal bands so often


gumbuoy said on the 8th Aug, 2012

he definitely set himself to maximum snark.


Mikeatron said on the 8th Aug, 2012

i must send this to all the peoples.


nu_wave said on the 8th Aug, 2012

hehe this is awesome!


nos235 said on the 8th Aug, 2012

I was looking at the actual Reading Line up - and lo and behold they do have a comedy stage. So it isn't just a pipe dream


snapcrackleROCK said on the 8th Aug, 2012

Set the Controls to the Heart of the Snark.


TheOriginalSlipdog said on the 8th Aug, 2012

Fuck you whinge Grattan, How is it everyone elses fault, that BDO is shit and failing more each year, because it is stuck, like your site, promoting shit music that isn't cool anymore. Let go man!


crob said on the 8th Aug, 2012


hearsz said on the 8th Aug, 2012

The three dumbest comments I read online when Soundwave was announced this morning:

1) What the f*** is this sh*t? Hasn't Soundwave always been a Heavy Metal/Post Hard-core festival? (Have you ever been to Soundwave before dumbass??)
2) What's with all the "BDO-reject" bands this year?? (It's been happening every year since 2008 genius - System, Marilyn,Deftones, QOTSA...etc)
3) Why the hell is Metallica headlining above Blink 182???


Oflick said on the 8th Aug, 2012

The first Soundwave was headlined by Good Charlotte. People who post comments like the ones above (mainly number 1) need to be reminded of that.


hearsz said on the 8th Aug, 2012

I considered mentioning that to them Oflick, but I didn't want to embarrass them any further!!

The Great Monkey War

The Great Monkey War said on the 9th Aug, 2012

Band from New iPod Commercial would surely be above Bearded Jam Band, and at least neck and neck with 90s Band Grasping at Your Fading Nostalgia.


lang-lands said on the 9th Aug, 2012

Leave your cop of 5 Shades of Grey on the train today slippy? no need to be angry


oldgregg said on the 9th Aug, 2012

the snark knight rises.


snapcrackleROCK said on the 9th Aug, 2012


grattan said on the 10th Aug, 2012


Demosthenes said on the 10th Aug, 2012

Can we hang the "not enough local acts" complaint on I'll be Your Mirror?


Bognashavin said on the 10th Aug, 2012

the only thing worse than whingers, is those who whinge about the whingers, and insist we must have a positive reaction to every stupid idea.


Braveheart81 said on the 10th Aug, 2012

Hopefully they add Dirty Three and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds on the second lineup.

Is there a second lineup?


Demosthenes said on the 10th Aug, 2012

Maybe you should ask, BH.

Jose Cuervo

Jose Cuervo said on the 10th Aug, 2012

Hopefully they add Dirty Three and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds on the second lineup.

Is there a second lineup?

I think the poster did say more acts to be added


Oflick said on the 10th Aug, 2012

Hopefully they add Dirty Three and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds on the second lineup.

Is there a second lineup?

I heard rumours Nick Cave would be at Harvest.

And by 'heard rumours', I mean I think I read a comment on facebook asking if Nick Cave would be at Harvest.

In all seriousness though, I can see him being added to "I'll Be Your Mirror".


Braveheart81 said on the 10th Aug, 2012

Well, he curated the previous ATP in Australia.

Jose Cuervo

Jose Cuervo said on the 10th Aug, 2012

And D3 has curated at Minehead previously too


lauren_t26 said on the 10th Aug, 2012

wow, this made me laugh! he just put it all on paper. so good. and true.


DinkiDIDude said on the 16th Aug, 2012 .....along with everyone else on this forum....


grattan said on the 2nd Oct, 2012

Fake Coachella posters already doing the rounds - focus on this and train your hate.


Piko said on the 4th Oct, 2012

Whoever made that poster would be terrible at organising the timetable


grattan said on the 31st Jul, 2013

Bump for no particular reason.


crob said on the 31st Jul, 2013

soundwave is better then big day out, la de dar da dar