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Ticket Scalping: The State OfThe Union

When Radiohead tickets went on sale on the morning of March 1, nobody expected them to last long. Even still, Ticketek and Ticketmaster exhausting their respective allocations in just under half-an-hour caused astonishment within the local music industry. What turned out to be more astonishing still, was how quickly those same tickets started appearing on eBay at greatly inflated prices: the dreaded scalpers had struck again, in some cases charging $1,299.00 for two tickets – five times the original retail price.

Within minutes fans were voicing their grievances via social media, and the same day Chugg Entertainment, who are handling the November tour, released a statement on Facebook promising to cancel any tickets identified as having breached the conditions of sale.

The whole episode has once again shone a light on ticket scalping. What was once the domain of sidewalk desperados has been given a dose of sophistication for the digital era, skilled resellers targeting the online sale of concert tickets, snapping up as many tickets as they can before flipping them for higher prices via online auction sites such as eBay. There’s little doubt the practice is becoming more popular.

It can be a lucrative exercise for those who play their cards carefully, but is it morally wrong? And if so, how much damage does it do and what’s the best way to tackle the problem? Many a reseller will tell you that they’re simply facilitating a floating market price for concert tickets: if this is the case, should that perhaps be done from the outset?

To find out, FasterLouder worked the address book. We spoke to two artists;Kimbra, who has just had her first experience with scalping in the United States and is now staring down the barrel of it happening again for her return Australian tour, and Jimmy Barnes, whose band Cold Chisel is pushing for Government legislation of the issue. We picked the minds of two industry representatives; Danny Rogers who heads up St Jerome’s Laneway Festival and Chugg Entertainment’s Managing Director Matthew Lazarus-Hall. And we also dug up a reseller: we wanted to know why he scalps concert tickets, how much it contributes to his income, and whether or not he considers it to be unethical. He asked for his surname to be withheld.

It’s an issue that simply won’t lie down, either, with Prince tickets going on sale on Monday morning – the initial Sydney and Melbourne shows selling out in four minutes and those same tickets once again quickly appearing on eBay.

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chickenman

chickenman said on the 20th Apr, 2012

correct ben how many don't get sold, also, that lady that recently cancelled cause of SNL and other things, people paid $560 a ticket, did they get a refund.

anyhows back to point.

I like to make money like the next guy, but I love live music and I like people to come along, so, I would never scalp a ticket, cause it is also creating a false economy, in a way. Like, would the gig or festival of sold out if scalpers weren't around. probably would. but it's a valid point.

Next, BDO, reckons they can't do splendours great idea, they could, they could open doors earlier and have a holding pen or something before main gates open. As for other events, qld seems the only winner atm cause everyone is getting a driver licence with a chip (good for over 18 events only) cause this would cut down the time on splendours idea.

I only give a couple of suggestions but something has to be done. 2 or 3 yrs ago, I went to buy BDO tickets at 1205am (midnite sale and got them), the next yr I was at work till late and didn't get home till 1220 am, guess what - sold out but 300 on ebay already. come on, how is this fair to anyone.

There has to be a general solution or idea somewhere and needs a massive focus group. Oh, the other dumb thing happening atm, was qld introduced a law, god knows if it is still in place but it only applied to certain venues, guess which one wasn't included BDO southport parklands was excluded on list. There is a answer and solution.

Oflick

Oflick said on the 20th Apr, 2012

i have no problems with people reselling tickets personally, even for an inflated price.

what i have an issue with is when the fans don't get an opportunity to buy tickets before the scalpers do. in my opinion, bands need to put their hands up and take more responsibility. they need to make sure that there are good pre-sales via their fan clubs before tickets go on sale to the public (and scalpers). unfortunately due to the way ticketing operators and venues work, this isn't always viable, but it would be nice to see more bands put more effort into this. pearl jam rarely seem to have a problem pulling it off.

the fans themselves need to take some responsibility as well. if someone misses out on the initial sale (pre-sale or otherwise) then personally i don't have much sympathy i can't think of a time when i've missed out on tickets when i've been ready to buy them once the go on sale. i've got lousy seats for sure, but never missed out altogether.

I've missed out on tickets before, and usually it is my own fault (I didn't expect Faith No More's Sydney sideshow to sell out in minutes when it went on sale in 2009, so stupidly didn't bother to get someone to buy me one while I was at Tafe). But there are times when there are more people who want tickets than there are tickets, so obviously some people will miss out on tickets. I can deal with missing out on tickets. But I'd like to think the people who bought them want to go to the show, not scalpers. I wouldn't buy a ticket at an inflated price on ebay, but it's not right for people to buy tickets purely with the intention of scalping them for profit.

Of course, I have no problem with someone selling a ticket at cost price.

The answers easy, I do this all the time and many sellest detest me - log into ebay and buy these tickets that are over priced and refuse to pay. Ebay hasn't got a system in place to make the buyer pay and all you get is an unpaid item strike. I still have my ebay account and I can still bid on items I actually intend on buying.
The anti-scalping army is here! You just gotta get online and start bidding!

I have mixed feelings towards this. As much as I hate scalping, doing this means these tickets could go to waste and people who really want to go and are willing to pay won't get to. Unless the scalpers give up and put them on at cost price, in the short term it would just annoy more people. Then again, in the long term it could work to discourage scalpers.

I've contemplated doing this myself before, though.

shazie

shazie said on the 21st Apr, 2012

In jestarrr's defense, didn't it take some time for those Lana del ray tickets to sell out? (I might be wrong, I can't remember) Id wager the people who were buying the tickets at that high of a price that late into the tickets going on sale weren't huge fans to begin with, just people who have a lot of money but didnt know her when the tickets went on sale.

Either way I'm not too fussed about scalpers, the vast majority go to actual people and it's only a small percentage that go to scalpers. surprise surprise, scalpers aren't the only people interested in going to radiohead.


Besides, I had a good experience with a scalper. I bought a ton of tickets in one go in 2009 and couldn't afford to get tickets to the editors concert for jan 2010. By the time I wanted to buy them, tickets sold out. One guy on eBay had it for about $20 above face value and I was happy to pay that bit extra so I could go (btw had an awesome time, fantastic live band). I know it doesn't compare to the huge markups, but hey it's good that I still had the chance to go. Obviously the tours for radiohead, prince etc etc are much higher, but you'd probably be able to find a ticket around cost price closer to the date.

People will always miss out on tickets, if you didn't get a ticket chances are some other person got it, not a scalper. I think scalpers who charge a little bit extra are fine. Call it a 'second chance price' if you will. The huge markups are different but those usually go down near the date of the concert.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 24th Apr, 2012

I personally think the scalping issue isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is.

If 1% of the tickets to a show are getting scalped, I really don't give a shit. Stuff sells out really quickly because the demand is huge. Whilst it is entirely true that a few more fans would have got tickets if there was zero scalping, the reality is that the overwhelming majority of people who missed out on tickets would still have missed out on tickets.

I think any of the options of limiting scalping have just as many drawbacks which make implementing them questionable.

Putting names and dates of birth on tickets adds costs to every ticket because ticketing companies need to implement the code and venues need more staff to let people in the door.

Having big onsales only available in person would be detrimental to so many punters who can't afford to commit the time to attend an outlet. It would also add to the cost of tickets because they would need more outlets and more staff employed to sell tickets. This would also be hugely unfair to regional people who don't have a Ticketek/Ticketmaster outlet within a reasonable distance of where they live. You can guarantee scalpers will be the first people in the queue because they have the most to gain from buying the maximum number of tickets and scalping them.

I think scalping is crap but I think it is just a fact of life. There is always a black market for any good where demand exceeds supply. I think this is something that people forget. They seem to think that tickets to gigs are something sacred but I don't want a system created whereby you have to jump through hoops and pay through the nose for a normal ticket to save the 1% of tickets that get scalped.

Also, Jetstarr's argument that scalping tickets to One Direction and Lana Del Rey because they are crap is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Just because you think those concerts are stupid is irrelevant to whether it is ethical or not. By the same reason, a One Direction fan would be just as justified scalping tickets to Radiohead because they think they are indie hipster rubbish.

The fact that you sold tickets to some rich kid is also irrelevant. Just because he has the money to spend doesn't justify what you're doing in the slightest.

Braveheart81

Braveheart81 said on the 30th Apr, 2012

took me five minutes to find a web site selling the bot programs (cost about us$520) and they list a 90% accuracy with the captcha code

looks like these things just hammer the server, picking up blocks of tickets, the scalper then cherry picks the best tickets and proceeds directly to ebay

i came across this in the weekend when looking at a listing on ebay for ed sheeran tickets in melbourne (at this stage only a pre-sale had occurred so they had probably only sold about four front row tickets), anyways i check out this scumbags other listings and there are 65 other ticket listings and nearly all of them are front row, now either this piece of slime is the luckiest dickhead in the world or he bought one of these bots

now some of you will say, he's just an entrepeneur but to buy two tickets for this ed sheeran at a cost of about $150 and selling for $600 (see closed listings to find this douche) because he might have invested in a program which can outwit the ticketmaster server does not sit well with me

So basically another case of solutions to hinder scalpers having a greater detriment on regular punters.

Again, I think scalping is a fact of life. When demand exceeds supply there is always going to be a black or grey market.

The best way to stop scalping being such a problem would be for idiots to stop paying well over the odds for tickets on ebay. If you miss out on tickets, cop it on the chin and don't go to the show.

There is no magic bullet to stop scalping. People just need to accept that it will happen and it isn't as large a problem as they think it is. People miss out on tickets because events are popular and lots of people missed out on tickets. Not because a scalper bought the specific ticket you were going to buy.

PerthLIVE

PerthLIVE said on the 30th Apr, 2012

if noone is going to police it ie ebay, gumtree, scalpers will always get away with it.
and people need to be aware of the risks they take buying online from someone you don't know. the tickets may be forged, fakes, or even non-existant and that image you see is simply cut and pasted from someone else's listing.

if you want to shut down scalpers, here is the simple solution...don't buy from them. if they have no market to sell, they are holding a $150 piece of paper (ticket) that has no value to them - even better, $600 of credit card debt, (4 purchased tickets) for a price that noone is going to pay for.

true story: my cousin and i rocked up to the sold-out pearl jam 2006 gig at nib stadium, perth without tickets. (the sold out sign confirmed this). with a cardboard sign held aloft reading 'two tickets wanted', within 10 minutes we were approached by 5 different people asking prices $50 above face value ($125). use this to your advantage...inform the clown that you're not going to pay that, and the only reason he's here is because he could not sell the ticket online and ticketmaster / ticketek won't refund it. i also informed him we only had $100 each, so take it or spend the rest of the night trying to find a sucker.
the guy paused, cogs turned in his head and he said "ok". we got out two ticket 15 metres from the front of eddie vedder and cost that schmuck $50 for an absolutely amazing gig!!

the power is yours people. buy face value @ legitimate outlets or not at all.