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Record Stores vs The Internet

We all know that the FL Forums love a good “impassioned discussion”, so each Friday over the next five weeks we will be fuelling that chatter with five controversial music debates. Thanks to Hyundai’s new Veloster will be giving away prizes each week for the best debaters.

Last week we kicked off our debate series with a huge discussion about whether the ‘Festival Bubble’ has burst, and boy did you have a lot to say about that!

This week we are stirring the pot, to find out if you think record stores are a dying breed, and whether this new fangled world wide web is the future (or death) of music. The best debater will win a $350 voucher to either an independent record store or itunes, it’s your choice!

Record Stores vs The Internet

Music retail sales figures for 2011 from the US pointed to an increase for the first time since 2004 and everyone said HOORAY!. Combined sales surpassed 1.6 billion units and more people bought vinyl in 2011 than they did in 2010. Streaming services received a big push into the market and the cloud was embraced by music-lovers. But what of the poor compact disc? It seems the average music buyer is more likely to use them as a drink coaster than a preferred purchase format. So the good news is that we’re spending more on music than we have for a while… or are we?

Trying to decode sales figures is something of a Rosetta stone proposition, but let’s try. Music isn’t fun! It’s about statistics!

In Australia true sales figures are extremely hard to come by. So for the sake of illustrative points, let’s go to US figures, which are more readily available. The bottom line: 10 years ago, people spent three times much on recorded music as they do now. In the year 2000, Nielsen Soundscan clocked US (CD) album sales for that year at 943 million units. And while sales figures for 2011 were up for the first time since 2004, the total number of physical sales was just 223.5 million. Digital album sales hit 103.1 million sales, and all combined music sales – every format altogether – topped 1.6 billion sales. 1.6 billion sounds like an incredible figure, but work into that the fact that Nielsen averages ten track downloads as being equivalent to a single album sale. God, this is confusing!

Vinyl sales are up in the US: from 2.8 to 3.5 million sales (which are pretty negligible figures in the bigger picture.) In the UK vinyl sales were also up – 55% in 2011, however, that is proportionately down on the last ten years, when vinyl sales there accounted for 7.2% of the market on 2000. So people were buying more vinyl in the last year, sure. But it is not suddenly becoming a predominately popular format. It’s always been the preferred format of DJs and audiophiles – though it’s hotly debated whether or not vinyl is actually the superior sound.CD Listeners purchasing vinyl has likely more to do with nostalgia.

Ringtone sales and subscription models have also declined in the last two years. So the bald facts are that people buy less music, but people also listen to a lot more music than they used to – primarily through streaming services on the internet, whether legal or otherwise.

Streaming, far from being a potential saviour in the market, hurts artists in two ways: it cuts into real sales/downloads, and the revenue share they see from streaming sites is pitifully small. Though David Hyman, CEO of MOG, a Spotify-like service, says that the blame for that lies squarely with record labels who are keeping the lion’s share of profits for themselves. This is its own sort of chicken/egg argument: labels found themselves the target of consumer ire when it became clear to everyone how much revenue they kept and so stealing music took on a kind of Robin Hood aspect for anyone who wanted to justify it to themselves (“It keeps money from greedy labels, not artists!”). Now again as the internet has eaten so deeply into their profits, labels resort to those same tactics as a way to try and stay afloat.

ARGH! What does this all mean? This whole mess is pretty well illustrated on this Soundscan chart:

Certainly for one thing, people hate CDs. They just aren’t convenient – you can have the exact same fidelity in a file downloaded from the web as you can from ripping your CD collection/throwing it on the stereo, and downloads just do the fiddly ripping part for you while adding an extremely powerful search database into the bargain. It’s not a huge mystery as to why they are on the way out as the dominant format, though it is sad that a whole artform, the liner note, is largely going the way of the dinosaur with them. Not to mention album cover art – but for as long as there is vinyl, there will be people who want that whole experience of a record, though as we looked at earlier, they are a small part of the market.

The upshot of all this is: people are maybe, slowly coming to pay for their music as a default position, rather than stealing it—how people consume is by measures of ease and convenience; the second someone (Google?) opens the web’s first truly global music store, where everything ever released can be found and paid for in whichever file format you like as easily as it can be torrented now, then piracy might become a thing of the past. Sales figures today are still nowhere near the numbers that the industry experienced in the pre-digital era, so piracy is still an issue.

Lars Ulrich, who more than ten years ago took on Napster and overnight became rock’s most hated human, was in hindsight totally right. He calls record labels “banks for people who are too crazy get loans from anywhere else,” and if the money at the bank dries up, then there will be no more albums to torrent. Gene Simmons is also a punching bag for taking on pirates and loves to say things like “If you let the fox into the hen house, there won’t be any more eggs,” in order to get his point across, which is a very basic fiscal one: it costs money to make music. Likewise U2’s manager Paul McGuinness was the target of terse editorials when he suggested that ISPs should share some of their revenue with labels to account for the fact they make a lot of money from illegal downloads. To counter this, ISPs take a pretty lame standpoint: which is that they say that you can’t blame the postal service for people sending illegal items through the mail – ISPs are only a messenger.

This is part of a bigger problem on the internet: it has bred a culture of entitlement where it’s easy to think that what users want is more important than anything else – being able to have what you want, immediately and for free, like some unending all you can eat buffet – is pretty hard to give up, but we’re learning.

Now it’s over to you – what do you think: are record stores a thing of the past? Perhaps independant stores are all that will remain? Do you buy music and if so where? This week’s best debater will win a $350 voucher to either an independent record store or itunes, it’s your choice!

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Warhound

Warhound said on the 13th Jan, 2012

back in june 2011, amanda palmer blogged about the kaiser chief's new concept for distributing, marketing and selling their songs (http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/6512389983/let-us-consider-together-the-new-kaiser-concept).

she said: "basically, instead of releasing the record in a normal format (what does that even mean, anymore?), they’ve put 20 of the songs up on a build-your-own-album site. you get to choose 10 tracks, order them as you wish, and then create your own artwork."

and further

"they’ve set up a system online whereby you can sell your version of the album and make a profit of £1 (about $1.60) for each copy someone buys. technically then, if you convince 8 friends to buy the record, you make a profit. the band website arms you with a personalized banner of your album to go out and viral-ize, and you can explore other people’s versions very easily. the current top-five sellers are up on the front of the site (and seem to change quite a bit), so set aside some time to explore.

coming from someone who does her own thing via bandcamp (where you either pay a mininum amount or whatever you decide, depending on how you feel, noting there is a break-even amount), and on the back of elvis costello's swipe at his own record company for being especially greedy, this concept gives almost full control to the artist whilst allowing you, the customer, to participate in a way you feel is both unique and valuable.

it certainly doesn't stop people from downloading pirated music or finding it free anywhere somehow - but if people are going out of their way to do that, well that's going to happen anyway. at least this way, and with sites such as bandcamp, those willing to do the right thing can do so knowing that they are contributing directly to the artist.

bobmac

bobmac said on the 13th Jan, 2012

the internet is the preferred medium for most people, whether they pay or download illegally. as some have said, the ever increasing advent of things like iphones will ensure that anything that is physical will continue to have declining sales as most prefer the ease that comes with digital downloads.

adding to this, is that most people don't value an album at all. with the current generation having short attention spans, they value a song much higher. hence the current high success rate of artists that produce that one hit song for the year. this flows onto things like digital downloads, and itunes in particular, where consumers are happy to buy that one hit song for $1.

now i prefer to buy a cd as i value that higher, i like to hoard. just the same as many others on here. i also like to browse through albums at places like jb hifi and independents and find that rarity or surprise i didn't think i would find. i value these experiences. the same applies to cds. i really like the "special editions" that come with bonus material such as a live dvd. you don't get that from itunes.

back to the main point though. record stores will still exist in some format. more than likely, jb hifi will be all that remains eventually. independants will struggle as we saw earlier this year in brisbane with rockinghorse, a supposed mainstay. itunes will keep growing and getting larger at least until we see the rise of services like spotify, but that's another discussion for another day.

richieramone

richieramone said on the 15th Jan, 2012

we are in a whole new reality, one in which there are three kinds of music consumers: those who buy vinyl, those who buy digital, and those who take/steal/liberate digital. that final category of people is large. it not only represents a whole bunch of people who have stopped buying records (or any music), but many more who have grown up feeling entitled to free music (i.e. other people's work/effort/investment).

yeah, the days of the "i download to check stuff out and then i will buy" are over. i really didn't believe that line much when it was relevant, but nowadays, it's just white noise. the problem is that the amount of people willing to pay for music (or film or writing) is shrinking. see, every era lost record buyers. people get older, have kids, get a mortgage, go to university, etc and stop buying records/cds/cassettes/etc. or their tastes change: they go from rock & roll to jazz or bluegrass or whatever. but in the past, those people were replaced by a new crop of teens, who would gobble up records. yeah, most of what they bought was crap, but not all of it. what we consider classic garage sounds, like the seeds or sonics had an audience in youth. punk was a youth fueled music. hardcore even more so. lots of classic indie labels, labels that were ethical, who treated the bands fairly and their fans with respect, relied on this cycle. it wasn't about making tons of cash. it was about sustainability. and it was sustainable. that time is gone.

used to be teens and people in their early 20s made up for the bulk of all music sales. nowadays it is people in their 40s and 50s - a group that were a fraction of music buyers in the 70s and 80s. all record labels considered "old people" buying music a happy coincidence. now that is the main group that gets marketed to (which is why the beatles never seem to die and the 80s will always be alive). i walk into record stores (and i go to a lot of them), most of the time, all i see are guys in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. sometimes someone in their 30s, fewer times someone in their 20s. i am shocked when i see a teenager in a record store - a thought which had i expressed in 1985 would have people either in hysterics or assuming i was hanging out in a classical music store.

many of the independent record label guys are in agreement that the way things are now can't hold. they're worried whether they can keep doing a label, when it not only won't pay for the time put in, but hardly pays for itself. some try paid digital, but, like missing link's failed attempt at doing so, are short-lived ideas.

so what's gonna happen from here? you may have already gathered that i'm very much a label kinda person. i have heaps of labels from australia and world-wide that i buy everything they release. i trust their judgement and are rarely disappointed. labels don't want to raise prices, but small pressings dictate that, if you are gonna survive as well as give some return to the band.

personally, i don't care how this affects major labels. they could all fade away and i would be fine. perhaps a lot of indie labels would take their place (some ethical, others not). or maybe everything falls apart and we are left to roam the musical wilderness ourselves. labels aren't important you say and maybe you are right. but let me make a case for them.

one of the main objections to the record label is it is obsolete. a band or musician can put their music online so that the public can hear - easy and free. well, yeah, in concept, but you spend time cruising though myspace, bandcamp, soundcloud, etc. and it is frustrating. there is so much stuff and so much of it is bad. before myspace became impossible to use, i would spend hours a month on it, looking for good bands. i could name quite a few great ones i discovered - but most of what i listened to was garbage. now, i'm doing that in an attempt to find great new bands and i know label buddies were doing the same. what this often means, is the label honcho spared us, the music fan and music supporter the time and effort of doing that. i didn't need to cruise through lame-arsed band after lame-arsed band in order to find eddy current suppression ring. they did it for us. it was nothing special; that is the job of the label. after buying records for a while, most of us start discovering that labels can be trademarks of quality: stax, in the red, au-go-go, matador, mistletone, sub pop, dischord, flying nun etc. people that operate a label because they are a music fan, strive to be in that list (or at least they should). and if you are a music buyer you appreciate that a label does provide that service for you. if you are a musician, a label with the rep of the ones listed creates a forum where more people can check out your work (and where you might get paid for it). throw a song on bandcamp and see what happens. put matador or in the red or siltbreeze on it and your listenership multiplies heaps.

now, my rant above is not me complaining. okay, it is a little bit, but mostly it is me trying to explain where things are at with small, independent labels and what challenges lie ahead. it is also meant to get you thinking a little about how you acquire your music and what the consequences might be.

Piko

Piko said on the 16th Jan, 2012

Ok so I have read a lot of discussions here and some varied topics though I am personally aiming to stick to the Record Store v Internet argument. I remember back a handful of years ago to when I lived in Blacktown and the Westpoint shopping centre underwent a major upgrade. It more than doubled in size. Before the renovations there were two record stores, both mainstream I might add. After the renovations there were none. This was 2007. Thankfully the second hand music shop which had a plethora of old vinyl was still in action. However I don't see HMV stores in major shopping centres anymore, I don't see Sanity stores, I don't see any Mad Hatter CD shops around the Gold Coast anymore.

The internet is surely winning though I personally don't ever buy digital music though I have plenty of it. Don't get me wrong, I purchase albums all the time, I just would never waste money on something I did not have a physical presence for, and then I turn that music into a digital format. This again makes me a little different to all of you, as everyone else in the market is. I make this point for this following reason. I never buy music from itunes, however I will go to a bands website or label and buy directly from them online. Bands will post for delivery on release date. I feel i am supporting the industry more that way. I also purchase vinyl from live gigs if the band is good and they have it on sale at the show.

The days of spending endless hours flicking through cds at a record store is dying for me as I am no longer young and have managed to find a copy of all the albums I ever wanted that used to surprise me long ago, mostly thanks to the internet. It is so easy these days to type in discography into a torrent search and find a successful result. Further to this I have done away with listening to CD's at all. I just don't do it. I rip it and listen digitally. Or I listen to vinyl. This saddens me a little however a general mainstream record store has nothing to interest me. However if I walk into somewhere with vinyl, I don't have all the stuff I love on vinyl and will happily flick through that and could spend way too much money if I let myself go. The humble CD is boring to me now however I will buy one over an itunes album any day. Though it is clearly NOT dead, you would think all these kids downloading just the songs they like would make their own cd's, yer people still buy compilation albums.

There is still a place for a record store. You aren't going to go to your sisters birthday and hand her a USB stick and say "I got this off itunes for you". You will want to give her a CD or Vinyl or something physical so that it maintains some meaning. Service stations still sell CD's to long distance travellers (I think this should move digital). The question is, how long until the record store takes the route of "If you can't beat em, join em" and all evolve into internet only presence? Its not just Sanity that is an online store. Red Eye Records has a useful online store, and any self respecting record store needs to be online these days to support its shop front. Else they will certainly die and we will be left with JB Hifi and second hand/op shops for oldschool album shopping.

Try Quiche

Try Quiche said on the 18th Jan, 2012

Record stores will never be completely wiped out, however they will gradually decrease in numbers until they become niche stores which are only available in major cities. Nonetheless, to make up for this digital sales will most likely steadily increase as the market catches up with the new mediums available. This fact saddens me though, as I personally love buying CDs.

CDs have no real advantages over buying from iTunes as was pointed out in the article (I really don't think that most people hate them...) but this won't kill the record store by flatlining CD sales.They will continue to sell, just at a much lower rate then what it is now. What compels us to still buy CDs is a combination of enjoying having a physical copy to interact with, the desire to show appreciation of a band by buying merchandise, and with some people, being an old fuddy-duddy that believes the old fashion way is better than modern methods. Because of this, record stores will still have a place in a shopping centre, selling a product which most people no longer buy, but those who do it are willing to spend large amounts of money on it.

In contrast, iTunes and online retailers will grow exponentially. Inevitably, pirating music will start to gain a negative stigma as there are many rich and powerful people and organisations pushing this. Most of the people that are weened off pirating will go directly to iTunes due to having the same convenience. A large percentage of the community have never actually experienced iTunes, meaning that there is a very big market that is yet to convert over.

I am not really sure what impact Spotify will have, but it really wouldn't surprise me if it ends up becoming the be all and end all of gaining music. It seems to be in a constant state of flux making it hard to judge. It's entire structure is based around what each country's laws permit, and as laws try to catch up with the expanding potential of the internet so will Spotify.

I think I will forever value music I ripped from a CD more than a digital copy. It is irrational, but I will always for some unknown reason have this desire.

sarcasm_mister

sarcasm_mister said on the 21st Jan, 2012

latecomer to the debate mainly cos i'm quite sick of the whole subject. i feel like hurting cute puppies every time i hear something along the lines of "the music industry is declining/dying" or "music isn't real any more" or "piracy is ruining everything".

but i've got nothing better to do with my saturday afternoon so i might as well jump in.



too often the demise of the CD has been associated with the demise of the music industry. this couldn't be further from the truth. instead it's just a reflection of the decentralisation of the industry. CDs have become just one of the many ways to consume music. so if anything the demise of the CD is exciting. it means that the art is moving forward into new areas.



don't think this will ever happen. access to free music is the greatest thing to happen to music since the beatles. for too long music was the entertainment of choice of the 'cool kids' the kids who would hang out at the record store, the kids who got invited to the parties and the clubs. thanks to free access these boundaries have been knocked down. for as long as people can get their hands on any music for free the audience for all this great art will continue to grow. yes there are negative side effects but the overall effect is most certainly positive.



some of the best albums of the last few years have been made by artists not signed to any label or artists who have started their own labels. the death of the major labels might (emphasis on the might) lead to a shift where it's no longer the best marketed music that tops the charts but rather the best quality music. i know that thought is just as idealistic as thinking piracy might end but there is the possibility.

a lot of people on here have spoken about the experience aspect of it. i live about 50km west of the city but i love to head down to newtown or annandale on a day off and browse through records. i often go down to JB in between classes just to have a flick through the bargain bin. in short, i love spending time in record stores but i rarely spend any money at them. i started my vinyl collection about 6 months ago and all but 1 of my records were bought through online stores. for the simple fact that i saved over 50% on each record. same deal with CDs, i buy almost exclusively from online stores. the future of the physical music store is very dire but once again, this shouldn't be cause for alarm. it's simply another shift.